Electric Vehicles

[GreenZLE]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I think that 2035 was never achievable and still can't understand how California felt the need to codify it in law.

California politicians and the left in general thinks it can will things into being. Do a calculation on how many Hoover Dams it would take to keep all the cars and trucks in Cali charged if they were electric. Once you have that number or even 1/8th of that number, you'll understand that these people CANT be playing with a full deck. Hell, they have brown outs and black outs now.


I predict EV's will NEVER completely replace ICE, even if they build 1000 nuke power plants in Cali.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

I think that 2035 goal (things can change) that is trying to be pushed might be a bit unrealistic. I think the Manufacturers realizing this are backtracking a bit and in Stellantis case probably going to reintroduce the Hemi to non 2500 pickup models like the Ram 1500, Charger etc. alongside GM investing more in the V8.

The CA tail wagging the dog stupidity is finally over.

Stellantis is not really "investing" anything in new Hemis, just cashing in on the old tooling and designs, charging more for artificially induced scarcity to a die hard loyal constituency.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Capricio

The CA tail wagging the dog stupidity is finally over.

Stellantis is not really "investing" anything in new Hemis, just cashing in on the old tooling and designs, charging more for artificially induced scarcity to a die hard loyal constituency.

It will be interesting to see how many Hemis they do produce and what they put them in. My understanding is that the STLA architecture is engineered around the 3.0L Inline 6 and no work was done to package Hemi.

I’m sure they will continue to put them in Ram Trucks and Dodge SUVs. But from a car standpoint it might not package, since the only cars will be the Dodge Chargers on the STLA platform and a later Chrysler 300 replacement, also on STLA. Most Jeep products that used the Hemi are also transitioning to STLA. FWIW, the twin turbo 3.0 Inline is slightly more powerful engine than Hemi with better emissions and fuel economy. But it is expensive. Four times as many camshafts plus two turbos adds up quick.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

It will be interesting to see how many Hemis they do produce and what they put them in.

FWIW, the twin turbo 3.0 Inline is slightly more powerful engine than Hemi with better emissions and fuel economy. But it is expensive. Four times as many camshafts plus two turbos adds up quick.

The extra cost of making new Hemis will be offset by the U.S. government’s 25% taxes on Mexican and Canadian parts, but it will still likely be sold at a premium over the more powerful and efficient Hurricane, simply because it has to be made in smaller volumes.

More expensive for Stellantis to produce Hurricanes, Hemis will still be more expensive for consumers (because of reasons!).

https://www.stellpower.com/news-2025...ming-and-more/

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Capricio

More expensive for Stellantis to produce Hurricanes, Hemis will still be more expensive for consumers (because of reasons!).

https://www.stellpower.com/news-2025...ming-and-more/

Good find. We were discussing this in the office today and kinda landed in the same place, except Grand Cherokee. Grand Cherokee will also be built on STLA Large platform. It was designed around the inline 6. Pretty certain Hemi will not fit in next gen GC. The placement of shock towers and firewall would have to change. Not trivial at all.

Not unusual for a lower cost engine to have a higher price tag. Hemi was one of Stellantis’ lowest cost engines for years. Definitely lower cost to produce than a Pentastar. But customers paid more for a Hemi in vehicles where both were offered. This is how you print money. In low volume, flexible build cell mode production cost for Hemi will go up, but Stellantis has a lot of wiggle room to still be able to provide it at a decent profit.

[102SS]

Well there is only one Electric Vehicle that I would like to own but it is way too expensive.

Those new Hummers look absolutely fabulous but at $145k cnd it is lottery win dream

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

It will be interesting to see how many Hemis they do produce and what they put them in. My understanding is that the STLA architecture is engineered around the 3.0L Inline 6 and no work was done to package Hemi.

I’m sure they will continue to put them in Ram Trucks and Dodge SUVs. But from a car standpoint it might not package, since the only cars will be the Dodge Chargers on the STLA platform and a later Chrysler 300 replacement, also on STLA. Most Jeep products that used the Hemi are also transitioning to STLA. FWIW, the twin turbo 3.0 Inline is slightly more powerful engine than Hemi with better emissions and fuel economy. But it is expensive. Four times as many camshafts plus two turbos adds up quick.

I personally thought we would never see a Hemi anymore except in the 2500 or bigger trucks but demand is pushing them to do it so I guess it depends on the customer and if they are willing to shell out the money for it. Only time will tell. Dodge and Ram seem to have a pretty unique customer base compared to other brands. They really love that Hemi so its hard to predict if they can get away with smaller production or not.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That was not part of your original ask..

Yes it was. And if you honestly, truly believe it wasn’t you’re the most air headed idiot on the planet. Where the fk are we? Istanbul,? Timbuktu? Last I checked my location tells you I’m in Ohio….. you know, where the Rock n Roll and NFL Hall of Fames are….. the kinds of things that were invented in….. oh yeah, that’s right, The United States of America.

And we’re not talking about Ford or Stellantis. Quit trying to deflect blame.

You must be a politician.

[Martinjlm]

Original request

Originally Posted by olrocker

Name one 5 passenger, 250-300 hp gasoline V6 sedan without hybrid or turbos and a regular 6-8 speed transmission for $30,000 MSRP that GM builds right now.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Right after you do the same for Ford and Stellantis. Funny thing is, I actually CAN do that but I bet you can't.

Modification of original request

Originally Posted by olrocker

In production right now. For sale in the United States.

A gasoline V6 sedan for $30k.

I’ll bite - prove me wrong oh cocky one.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That was not part of your original ask. And as I said, give me a Ford or Stellantis example first. You can't. And for what it's worth, I am not cocky. I just have direct access to a database that can answer the question in seconds. My own cheat code.

Originally Posted by olrocker

Yes it was.

Refer to original quote.

Originally Posted by olrocker

And if you honestly, truly believe it wasn’t you’re the most air headed idiot on the planet. Where the fk are we? Istanbul,? Timbuktu? Last I checked my location tells you I’m in Ohio….. you know, where the Rock n Roll and NFL Hall of Fames are….. the kinds of things that were invented in….. oh yeah, that’s right, The United States of America.

And we’re not talking about Ford or Stellantis. Quit trying to deflect blame.

You must be a politician.

That you think so highly of me just makes me all verklempt.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Original request

You said you knew some. Which told me you were thinking outside the USA. We don’t live outside the USA.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Modification of original request

Yes, see first response.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Refer to original quote.

Which you changed the rules on assuming anything on a forum about Camaros in America has anything to do with the price of rice in China.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That you think so highly of me just makes me all verklempt.

Being compared to a politician is NOT a compliment.

[John_C]

Back in Jan 2023, I bought a new Model 3 Performance with FSD.

The car itself is awesome. Very reliable and the performance is spectacular.

I drive it on average, 30,000 miles a year for work alone.

I bought it because I have a long commute and work long hours. The tech with FSD and all is much safer. In collisions, these cars are about as safe as you can get, too.

Now compared to my F150 SCREW FX4 2.7L EcoBoost or even my 5th Gen, it saved me around $600 a month in gas vs charging my 3P from home.

What I did not expect was being the performance, those Pirelli P Zero's being complete trash and the tire size being ridiculously low profile (235-35-20) making the car extra vulnerable to damage from bumps, road debris and potholes.

Nashville after the last 2 years of snow, has potholes everywhere and every time they patch them, after a good rain, they open back up and even more appear.

I went though numerous tires and ended up bending wheels because those tires were too low profile and the rubber/sidewalls were too soft.

I ended up upsizing them on HRE wheels to get the rubber wide enough to protect the wheels and have more sidewall to be able to absorb potholes and bumps better.

To that point, all the gas saving I got was eat up in replacement tires and wheels.

I thought I was good after finally finding a tire and size combo to handle the terrible roads around here and then one morning about 5:15am coming home in the dark, I came around the curve on I440 headed east and there was a whole semi retread I could not avoid and hit it dead center. (Nashville truckers and pickup trucks that haul, let crap fly out of their bed/trailers, blow retreads and do not report their road hazards to be cleaned up, so there is always crap in the roads.)

I felt the impact (these M3P sit low) and the car raised up from the tire rolling underneath.

All of the sudden, warnings pop up on the screen and then my screen turns off.

I pull over, front bumper damage, cover from under bumper to battery pack torn off, battery pack ruptured and leaking coolant and the coolant pump burned out because once the screen turned off, I couldn't shut off the car. So the coolant pump ran and made horrible noises until it killed itself. (Then various screws, coolant hoses, etc., and a driver side blinker were also damaged according to Tesla.)

I towed it to Tesla and they got back to me -- over $17k in damage! Battery alone was $10,750.00 without labor. All from a semi retread... Never in my life have I seen such expensive damage from road debris!

So the car when I bought it was $64k + $15k FSD + tax title and license plate. Add one cracked windshield replaced and the retread damage, that's over $19k. I won't count all the tires and wheels, but the current replacement set is around $4,500. $23,500.00+ Just to keep the car on the road here in TN since Jan 2023!

So my point here is, if you buy a EV thinking it's going to save you money in gas, it might not work out that way for you.

The Performance Model 3/Y is a bad idea for any city with bad / rough roads. Get a Long Range AWD Y that comes with tires that have way more sidewall and sits higher!

If you're used to driving cars that sit higher or trucks, you better watch out for debris in the road because just a semi retread that most cars and about every truck would clear, caused over $17k in damage!

I have a 2024 Model Y Performance and the same issue with tires. At 5k miles, I already have a bulged sidewall and the tire is separating and leaking air. I have a new tire on order for it.

And before anyone blames me for the weaknesses in these Tesla EV's -- just realize I have been driving since I was 16 and I'm going on 50. I have never had a collision involving another car. I have lived in TN my whole life and through may winters where the salt and rain has eat up the roads. I have dodged just about everything you can think of, ladders, 2 wheel dollies from a beer truck, bricks, a tree stump fallen off a truck, etc., and past vehicles sat high enough or were built strong enough that semi retreads did not damage my vehicles, etc.

The Model 3 and specifically, the performances models do not make good daily drivers in cities that do not keep the roads clean, clear of obstructions and have potholes and major bumps.

FWIW... I still love my Teslas and plan to buy a X and S Plaid sometime after the refresh.

Just sharing my experience with the 3P and YP.

I won't waste my time responding to any blame game BS.

[John_C]

Right off my app… the cost of repairs…

[Martinjlm]

Wow! You’ve had some suck ass luck with road hazards.

My wife has been driving a Model Y Dual Motor Long Range for almost 2 years now. Costs about $40 a month in electricity. We did have to replace one tire because of a construction zone sidewall gash but that’s it as far as maintenance or repair.

I picked up an Equinox EV as my daily back in September. Also costing me about $40 a month in electricity. Had an issue where some unknown bozo at Home Depot cracked my rear tail lamp. Took more than 2 months to get it replaced through the dealer. Otherwise no issues.

[genxer]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

I personally thought we would never see a Hemi anymore except in the 2500 or bigger trucks but demand is pushing them to do it so I guess it depends on the customer and if they are willing to shell out the money for it. Only time will tell. Dodge and Ram seem to have a pretty unique customer base compared to other brands. They really love that Hemi so its hard to predict if they can get away with smaller production or not.

Mopar does not have a unique customer base. It's marketing aimed to conquest, skim off GM shoppers. Headline HP/E.T. supercharged engines, going bigger cube for the volume half-ton & mid-SUV, going back to the not-Hemi Viper.

Mopar didn't take the overall sales lead because displacement/pushrods are GM's longer tradition, it used to (and still should) extend down to their V6s and 4s in smaller vehicles. It's idiotic to sell tiny displacement engines that cost more to build than the V8.

Changing gears, notable EV news: https://www.zerohedge.com/commoditie...ire-breaks-out
The ship was traveling to Mexico from China.
"The vessel was transporting approximately 3,000 vehicles, including an estimated 800 electric vehicles (EVs). The fire’s origin has not been confirmed, though lithium-ion battery ignition remains a possible cause given the cargo profile and previous mid-sea incidents involving EVs (see here & here). "