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Old 08-02-2008, 12:53 AM   #57
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I have driven many chevys and they all seem to be tuned for safety of what is supplied by the factory. So if they put tires that are only rated at 100-110 then they are going to put a governor around there. My Colorado, of course, had tires not rated for speed - governs at 98mph, yea it can do more, but my current tires are only rated for 95 so I am fine with it being governed there not to mention I have no reason to run a pickup that fast.

As for the Camaro, I don't plan on running 150, you are begging for some major trouble at that speed and I won't hit that speed on the track so I am fine with a governor around there.

Just remember, Interstates you can get up to high speed, but cops are out and deer do run across the interstate. I'd hate to see what would happen at 150mph and meeting a deer

I have a Ninja 636 which can do 150, fastest I have done is 114 - respect the power and the road
Well i've seen a deer get blown apart at 75-80 mph... so can you say pink mist at 150+?
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Old 08-29-2008, 08:38 AM   #58
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Well i dont know if anyone has touched on this yet, but as far as a speed limiter is concerned, I have a 2006 Cobalt SS/SC and that car regularly sees 145 on the highway, so unless my speed limiter is higher than that, which would be quite difficult to reach, then I don't have one.

I could imagine a limiter being placed on botht he V6 and L99 V8 models, but for someone spending the dough to get the SS, I dont foresee it being a wise business move on GM's part.

the only limiter there will be the Redline, and in that case, some headwork and a nice tune with HPtuners should move that back nicely
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:10 AM   #59
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Most cars today are electronically governed due to the speed limitations of the factory installed tires they come with. People tend to forget, with all the money a car costs and everything involved on and in a car, the only thing that actually touches the ground are the tires..... That's always taken into consideration when engineers are devloping drivetrain and suspension components: the grade and size of the tires. Even the SS, I presume most of the cars built will come with all season rubber V rated (V is rated safely for speeds up to 149 mph). The summer only tire package? They might be Z's, but those are pretty expensive, so they may still stick with V for the summer only tire option.

You remove the governor and you DEFINITELY need to get a set of Z rated tires. This car will have huge potential to hit the 170 mark.

And better, larger diameter brakes (yes, I know the stock Brembos will be great, but you have to remember they're engineered to stop the car safely and reliably from no greater a speed than 155 - you'd think they'd be good to 180, but these are factory installed brakes and this is not a Ferrari).

And maybe lighter weight rims.

And stiffer struts and springs.
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:44 AM   #60
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Most cars today are electronically governed due to the speed limitations of the factory installed tires they come with. People tend to forget, with all the money a car costs and everything involved on and in a car, the only thing that actually touches the ground are the tires..... That's always taken into consideration when engineers are devloping drivetrain and suspension components: the grade and size of the tires. Even the SS, I presume most of the cars built will come with all season rubber V rated (V is rated safely for speeds up to 149 mph). The summer only tire package? They might be Z's, but those are pretty expensive, so they may still stick with V for the summer only tire option.

You remove the governor and you DEFINITELY need to get a set of Z rated tires. This car will have huge potential to hit the 170 mark.


Even the 4th Gen Z28 had Z rated tires (Goodyear Eagle GS-C), so I betcha they'll put Z rated tires on the new SS. The limiter on the '99 Z28 was 158MPH.
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:50 AM   #61
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In the IDL on Tuesday morning, this question was asked and answered by Chryl. The SS will be electronically limited at 155. Take off the limiter and your guess is as good as mine.
I was going to post this... but you beat me to it


so I'll add some other details... the LS1 4th gens had two different speed limiters: 115mph for the cars with RS-A tires and 160mph for the cars with Eagle GS-C tires... the governor in the 5th gen will be the same kind of electronic governor that can easily be removed by programs like HPTuners, EFI Live and HyperTech programmers.

I believe the GTOs all had 155mph speed limiters... all of the '06 models I've tuned have had that same limiter.
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:55 AM   #62
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Well i dont know if anyone has touched on this yet, but as far as a speed limiter is concerned, I have a 2006 Cobalt SS/SC and that car regularly sees 145 on the highway, so unless my speed limiter is higher than that, which would be quite difficult to reach, then I don't have one.

I could imagine a limiter being placed on botht he V6 and L99 V8 models, but for someone spending the dough to get the SS, I dont foresee it being a wise business move on GM's part.

the only limiter there will be the Redline, and in that case, some headwork and a nice tune with HPtuners should move that back nicely
Your cobalt has Z tires, meaning speed limiter is probably 150ish. As for the Camaro Redline, the ZR1 has 638hp and GM still had to make 6th gear deeper than the Z06 in order to reach redline. Just FYI
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Old 08-29-2008, 09:59 AM   #63
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I could imagine a limiter being placed on botht he V6 and L99 V8 models, but for someone spending the dough to get the SS, I dont foresee it being a wise business move on GM's part.
I'm not so sure that putting an electronic speed limiter on a car can be construed as an unwise business move. What's the highest speed limit in the United States?? 70? 75? I don't know, the highest speed limit around me is 65. Anyway, my point is this. If GM were to put a limiter at, say 155, like people have been mentioning...what difference does that really make? I want to go really really fast just like the next guy (or gal, as it were), but when...besides at a track...will I ever go that fast? I would actually argue that it's a smarter business move to install a limiter, because they are thinking of peoples' safety. SuperEco, you basically said that if you're spending the money on the SS, then you shouldn't have a limiter...to that I'll bring up the Bugatti Veyron (yes, yes, I know...the Camaro and the Veyron have as much in common as peanut butter and a rock...but listen). The Buggati, when it came out, cost $1.4 Million...IT has a limiter...that's a very simple point. I'm not trying to be smug or mean or anything, I'm just mentioning that. It's about safety...all of it.

We all have friends and family who are driving on the road with us. When people are driving at speed...certain elements of safety are seriously diminished...or they disappear all together. If there are people consistantly driving in excess of 100 MPH (yes, 100)...then I wouldn't want my fiance, my future kids, my friends, etc. driving on those roads with them. No matter how talented a driver you may be...no matter how stable of a car you may have...things can go wrong. I'm sure TAG...as well as other officers, or EMTs, etc. on this board can attest to the dangerous nature of driving at high speeds...or low speeds for that matter.

Sorry, I just felt like too much emphasis was being put on this limiter business. And I think that Scott would agree...safety needs to be at the forefront. Anyway...my lecture is done...sorry bout that


P.S. Just be happy they won't limit your speed to 90 MPH...or will they????
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:00 AM   #64
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Most cars today are electronically governed due to the speed limitations of the factory installed tires they come with. People tend to forget, with all the money a car costs and everything involved on and in a car, the only thing that actually touches the ground are the tires..... That's always taken into consideration when engineers are devloping drivetrain and suspension components: the grade and size of the tires. Even the SS, I presume most of the cars built will come with all season rubber V rated (V is rated safely for speeds up to 149 mph). The summer only tire package? They might be Z's, but those are pretty expensive, so they may still stick with V for the summer only tire option.

You remove the governor and you DEFINITELY need to get a set of Z rated tires. This car will have huge potential to hit the 170 mark.

And better, larger diameter brakes (yes, I know the stock Brembos will be great, but you have to remember they're engineered to stop the car safely and reliably from no greater a speed than 155 - you'd think they'd be good to 180, but these are factory installed brakes and this is not a Ferrari).

And maybe lighter weight rims.

And stiffer struts and springs.
I believe the P-Zero tires that will be on the SS are Z-rated... and its been confirmed that the P-Zero is the official tire of this car.

now the Brembo brakes might need to be upgraded to larger diameter ones if you get the 20" wheels, but other than that, I'm fairly sure that the stock brakes will be more than adequate to haul this car down from whatever speed you can achieve... they wouldn't have been running the 'Ring without some good brakes, folks... and if you're reaching track speed on the 'Ring, you're pretty much wide open.

lighter rims and suspension upgrades are ALWAYS a good idea over stock components... these cars are built for the masses, not for the few of us who know how to drive at 10/10ths... so upgrading everything is always good... but not always necessary.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:21 AM   #65
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Even the 4th Gen Z28 had Z rated tires (Goodyear Eagle GS-C), so I betcha they'll put Z rated tires on the new SS. The limiter on the '99 Z28 was 158MPH.
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Old 08-29-2008, 11:14 AM   #66
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I'm not so sure that putting an electronic speed limiter on a car can be construed as an unwise business move. What's the highest speed limit in the United States?? 70? 75? I don't know, the highest speed limit around me is 65. Anyway, my point is this. If GM were to put a limiter at, say 155, like people have been mentioning...what difference does that really make? I want to go really really fast just like the next guy (or gal, as it were), but when...besides at a track...will I ever go that fast? I would actually argue that it's a smarter business move to install a limiter, because they are thinking of peoples' safety. SuperEco, you basically said that if you're spending the money on the SS, then you shouldn't have a limiter...to that I'll bring up the Bugatti Veyron (yes, yes, I know...the Camaro and the Veyron have as much in common as peanut butter and a rock...but listen). The Buggati, when it came out, cost $1.4 Million...IT has a limiter...that's a very simple point. I'm not trying to be smug or mean or anything, I'm just mentioning that. It's about safety...all of it.

We all have friends and family who are driving on the road with us. When people are driving at speed...certain elements of safety are seriously diminished...or they disappear all together. If there are people consistantly driving in excess of 100 MPH (yes, 100)...then I wouldn't want my fiance, my future kids, my friends, etc. driving on those roads with them. No matter how talented a driver you may be...no matter how stable of a car you may have...things can go wrong. I'm sure TAG...as well as other officers, or EMTs, etc. on this board can attest to the dangerous nature of driving at high speeds...or low speeds for that matter.

Sorry, I just felt like too much emphasis was being put on this limiter business. And I think that Scott would agree...safety needs to be at the forefront. Anyway...my lecture is done...sorry bout that


P.S. Just be happy they won't limit your speed to 90 MPH...or will they????
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:10 PM   #67
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Aye I bet they put that new EU 155 limiter. The V6 has the limiter at 155 also.

EU is so silly.
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:03 PM   #68
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they prob will allow a little bit of breathing room between the Camaro and the Corvett for the top speed.
i wish that the speedo on the SS read 200 like the GTO
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Top speed matters nothing to me. I will probably never see the north side of 140 anyway.

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what's magic about 155 anyway?
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