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LSxcellent · 05-30-2007, 08:56 PM

One thing for everyone to keep in mind. Burning ethanol produces carbon dioxide just like gas!

Ethanol Chemical Composition: CH3CH2OH
~LSx

*Mr. Wyndham* · 05-30-2007, 09:46 PM

Okay, your all right!
This is what all of my research has come up with: E85 is 85 percent ethanol, which can come from anything naturally growing, practically.
It is proven to be a more powerful fuel. Although slightly less fuel efficient. However, different blends - don't ask me which - can actually be more fuel efficient.
As far as the environment is concerned - The fuel burns slightly cleaner - and the arguement is - that since the ethanol comes from an already growing source, not fossil fuels, the Hydrocarbons, and carbon dioxides are actually meant to be in the air (atmosphere). Not added in, just converted.

daddyseth1 · 05-30-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by daddyseth1

I dunno where LSx got the figure on the cost of E85 being 20% less than gas, but around here it is actually MORE expensive than gas by about 20 cents. I don't know about you guys, but I am not nearly concerned enough about the environmental benefits of E85 to take an addition 20 cents/gal hit at the pump.

Well, actually here in Chicago, the average for regular 87 oct. is about $3.71/gal(right now wishing our cars can run off milk which is $2.79/gal), and at the few places that sell E85 fuel around here, the price is 2.85/gal. But seeing the true of the stuff, I see why it is cheaper than gasoline.

Sorry, this was supposed to be a quote from Casull. 2nd papragraph is my 2 cents.

LSxcellent · 05-31-2007, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Okay, your all right!
This is what all of my research has come up with: E85 is 85 percent ethanol, which can come from anything naturally growing, practically.
It is proven to be a more powerful fuel. Although slightly less fuel efficient. However, different blends - don't ask me which - can actually be more fuel efficient.
As far as the environment is concerned - The fuel burns slightly cleaner - and the arguement is - that since the ethanol comes from an already growing source, not fossil fuels, the Hydrocarbons, and carbon dioxides are actually meant to be in the air (atmosphere). Not added in, just converted.

Okay... not to nitpick, but I have to add this in:

Fossil fuels come from decomposed plant and animal matter... the carbon was here before, we are just freeing it.

~LSx

Punk_rider · 05-31-2007, 02:51 PM

pollution? sincerely, i don't give a flying fu** ...

Casull · 05-31-2007, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LSxcellent

Okay... not to nitpick, but I have to add this in:

Fossil fuels come from decomposed plant and animal matter... the carbon was here before, we are just freeing it.

~LSx

True, but the argument for ethanol is that it is essentially recycling CO2 that is already in existence as opposed to releasing more CO2 from a source that has been stored for millions of years.

Either way, I am a strong adversary of the whole global warming trend right now anyway... that is all I am going to say about that.

ChevyNut · 06-01-2007, 02:41 AM

One possitive thing that i can vouch for is the increase in demand for corn to distill ethanol. My entire family are farmers, except for my mom, dad and me. And the increased demand for corn helps everyone because our society would fail with out the american farmer. with out the american farmer the amount of american products on shelves in our supermarkets would decrease further increasing the need for importation of goods from other nations. as for the performance/gass milage i am still skeptical. However if GM could offer the same hp and milage with this new fuel i would be behind it 100%.

MerF · 06-01-2007, 10:47 AM

There's a gas guzzler tax right now.

Make a gas-saver tax-relief program. That would peak my interest.

*TAG UR IT* · 06-01-2007, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MerF

There's a gas guzzler tax right now.

Make a gas-saver tax-relief program. That would peak my interest.

That's exactly what Arnold was doing in Cali. The article is in here somewhere...trying to get more people to buy fuel efficient cars and giving them tax breaks.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 06-01-2007, 11:50 AM

Right, but the opposition says that farmers, and the like - contractors, shipping companies - get screwed becuse they have to drive trucks.
I agree with both sides which sucks for me.

TurbineX-2000 · 02-02-2008, 10:14 PM

After reading that a possible V-8 for the 2009 Camaro could possibly be Direct Injected,11.5 to 1 compression,and E85 compatible,I started to salivate,like one of Pavlov's dogs.GM,listen up,if your company was smart,you would make this the standard engine in the Z28,and as an optional V-8 in the base Camaro.Why?Wanna get the "Tree Huggers"off your back,not to mention avoid the"Gas Guzzler"taxes?E85 is the "High Test Premium" of the future.
GM should also do more to promote E85,and get the E85 pumps into our communities.E85 capable vehicles also get a tax break as well.That could be a very strong selling tool for the dealers.If GM wants to steal sales away from Ford,GM should price the Camaro reasonably,in the ballpark of the Mustang GT.The Camaro should be priced so working people can afford it.In other words,and this especially goes for the dealers..."DON'T GOUGE"!

Sterling · 02-03-2008, 06:09 AM

The gas you put in your car now already has Ethanol in it. It's just a smaller percentage than the 85% Flex Fuel. You can also put regular gas in a flex fuel car and it doesn't matter if you mix regular gas with flex fuel, so you can full up with either one when you already have a half tank. That gives you the flexibility to fuel up with whichever one is cheaper at the time. Right now, depending on where you are in the country Flex fuel is either slightly more expensive or slightly less expensive than regular gasoline. It should get cheaper as it gets to be more widely available. The biggest bonus to using Ethanol is that it is a renewable fuel source. We can always grow more corn or whatever they want to make it with, so we don't have to worry about the dwindling oil supply.

Chevy has plans to make all of their vehicles Flex Fuel capable, so I would expect to see the Camaro will be. Why someone wouldn't buy a flex fuel car doesn't make any sense to me. They can still use regular gasoline, even when it will cost more to do so. I just see it as having more options when I go to the pump, and that is a great choice to have.

Jak · 02-03-2008, 09:54 AM

Personally I don't care what it runs on, long as it's a V-8 and gets great mileage that's all I want. The flex-fuel would be nice, but there's no stations near me, the closest one is like an hour away, but the AFM? Oh, yeah, I want that.
AS far as global warming

Scam. Sorry, I just can't get worked up over something the Earths been doing for thousands of years, I'm not saying man has'nt added slightly to it, but just look back through the earths history.

*DGthe3* · 02-03-2008, 12:03 PM

With 25-30% of cars running on E85 and a 10% increase in economy accross the board, it is possible for you to eliminate all the gasoline imports that you have from countries outside of the wester hemisphere, such as Iran. So for those of you that don't care about the positive environmental aspects of using ethanol there are also geopolitical reasons to use it as well. It should be noted that in order to do that, there needs to be massive imporvements to all new cars sold because these account for under 10% of cars on the road, and less than 5% of total vehicles. But it is possible.

05-30-2007, 09:46 PM	#30
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Okay, your all right! This is what all of my research has come up with: E85 is 85 percent ethanol, which can come from anything naturally growing, practically. It is proven to be a more powerful fuel. Although slightly less fuel efficient. However, different blends - don't ask me which - can actually be more fuel efficient. As far as the environment is concerned - The fuel burns slightly cleaner - and the arguement is - that since the ethanol comes from an already growing source, not fossil fuels, the Hydrocarbons, and carbon dioxides are actually meant to be in the air (atmosphere). Not added in, just converted. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

06-01-2007, 11:50 AM	#38
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Right, but the opposition says that farmers, and the like - contractors, shipping companies - get screwed becuse they have to drive trucks. I agree with both sides which sucks for me. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

02-02-2008, 10:14 PM	#39
TurbineX-2000 Drives: 2006 Mustang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Yucca Valley,Ca Posts: 9	2009 Camaro being E85 compatible After reading that a possible V-8 for the 2009 Camaro could possibly be Direct Injected,11.5 to 1 compression,and E85 compatible,I started to salivate,like one of Pavlov's dogs.GM,listen up,if your company was smart,you would make this the standard engine in the Z28,and as an optional V-8 in the base Camaro.Why?Wanna get the "Tree Huggers"off your back,not to mention avoid the"Gas Guzzler"taxes?E85 is the "High Test Premium" of the future. GM should also do more to promote E85,and get the E85 pumps into our communities.E85 capable vehicles also get a tax break as well.That could be a very strong selling tool for the dealers.If GM wants to steal sales away from Ford,GM should price the Camaro reasonably,in the ballpark of the Mustang GT.The Camaro should be priced so working people can afford it.In other words,and this especially goes for the dealers..."DON'T GOUGE"! Last edited by TurbineX-2000; 02-23-2008 at 07:40 PM. Reason: Typo error

02-03-2008, 12:03 PM	#42
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	With 25-30% of cars running on E85 and a 10% increase in economy accross the board, it is possible for you to eliminate all the gasoline imports that you have from countries outside of the wester hemisphere, such as Iran. So for those of you that don't care about the positive environmental aspects of using ethanol there are also geopolitical reasons to use it as well. It should be noted that in order to do that, there needs to be massive imporvements to all new cars sold because these account for under 10% of cars on the road, and less than 5% of total vehicles. But it is possible. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

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05-30-2007, 08:56 PM	#29
LSxcellent Drives: MINI Cooper S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 284	One thing for everyone to keep in mind. Burning ethanol produces carbon dioxide just like gas! Ethanol Chemical Composition: CH3CH2OH ~LSx

05-31-2007, 02:51 PM	#33
Punk_rider Drives: VW Typ 166 + Black 1LE Join Date: May 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 763	pollution? sincerely, i don't give a flying fu** ...

06-01-2007, 02:41 AM	#35
ChevyNut Drives: 2010 SS Camaro Black on Black Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 314	One possitive thing that i can vouch for is the increase in demand for corn to distill ethanol. My entire family are farmers, except for my mom, dad and me. And the increased demand for corn helps everyone because our society would fail with out the american farmer. with out the american farmer the amount of american products on shelves in our supermarkets would decrease further increasing the need for importation of goods from other nations. as for the performance/gass milage i am still skeptical. However if GM could offer the same hp and milage with this new fuel i would be behind it 100%.

06-01-2007, 10:47 AM	#36
MerF Go Rays! Drives: 03 Trailblazer Join Date: May 2007 Location: St Pete, Florida Posts: 2,532	There's a gas guzzler tax right now. Make a gas-saver tax-relief program. That would peak my interest.

02-03-2008, 06:09 AM	#40
Sterling Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT/RS M6 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Fairhaven, MA Posts: 5,882 View My Garage	The gas you put in your car now already has Ethanol in it. It's just a smaller percentage than the 85% Flex Fuel. You can also put regular gas in a flex fuel car and it doesn't matter if you mix regular gas with flex fuel, so you can full up with either one when you already have a half tank. That gives you the flexibility to fuel up with whichever one is cheaper at the time. Right now, depending on where you are in the country Flex fuel is either slightly more expensive or slightly less expensive than regular gasoline. It should get cheaper as it gets to be more widely available. The biggest bonus to using Ethanol is that it is a renewable fuel source. We can always grow more corn or whatever they want to make it with, so we don't have to worry about the dwindling oil supply. Chevy has plans to make all of their vehicles Flex Fuel capable, so I would expect to see the Camaro will be. Why someone wouldn't buy a flex fuel car doesn't make any sense to me. They can still use regular gasoline, even when it will cost more to do so. I just see it as having more options when I go to the pump, and that is a great choice to have.

02-03-2008, 09:54 AM	#41
Jak Drives: 03 Dodge Dakota Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New York Posts: 627	Personally I don't care what it runs on, long as it's a V-8 and gets great mileage that's all I want. The flex-fuel would be nice, but there's no stations near me, the closest one is like an hour away, but the AFM? Oh, yeah, I want that. AS far as global warming Scam. Sorry, I just can't get worked up over something the Earths been doing for thousands of years, I'm not saying man has'nt added slightly to it, but just look back through the earths history.