BURNING QUESTION ABOUT INDEXING WINDOWS - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Matrix · 12-12-2009, 07:06 AM

Forgive me if this has been covered but I cant find it anywhere in the searches Ive done.

My question is this!

If you disconnected the battery, and everything is locked up how are you going to get inside with the key, cos the I'm thinking, without the battery the windows wont index down and allow you to enter the car.

Or will it??

How are you going to open the trunk if there is no battery/ how do you get inside to fold the chairs to get at the battery if the windows wont index in the first place?

Am I missing something here?

Tal · 12-12-2009, 07:33 AM

Should open and close, you just won't have the best seal without the indexing.

Dboy23 · 12-12-2009, 07:39 AM

Even if the windows don't crack the doors will still open, and you can get to the trunk through the rear seats and just pull the lever to release the trunk.

Matrix · 12-12-2009, 07:40 AM

Wont you risk breaking the window if it doesnt drop down as you open the door?

streetjudge79 · 12-12-2009, 07:50 AM

why would it? I open my door with the window up all the time.

Sean_W · 12-12-2009, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streetjudge79

why would it? I open my door with the window up all the time.

Without the indexing, it does open, but it's a very snug fit. I would be carefull opening and closing it if the indexing is turned off or not working.

HeavyD · 12-12-2009, 08:47 AM

Great question! I think the upper edge would just slide over the seal, and like the other posts sad be a little stiff.

springerpete · 12-12-2009, 08:51 AM

At the end of the winter; you could open the trunk with the key. After you hook up the battery everything should work as normal.

Mr_Draco · 12-12-2009, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springerpete

At the end of the winter; you could open the trunk with the key. After you hook up the battery everything should work as normal.

the trunk doesn't have a key slot.

ljustin293 · 12-12-2009, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

the trunk doesn't have a key slot.

Angrybird 12 · 12-12-2009, 09:35 AM

You open the door with the key pull the hood lever and put jumper cables on the posts under the hood used to jump off the car, and then use the remote to pop the trunk..

The window indexing is to keep from wearing out the window seals from repeated opening and closing of the door against the very close tolerance of the window seal..It won't hurt to ocassionally open it up without indexing the window...

FEN · 12-12-2009, 11:24 AM

I agree with Skyman 08.....you are not going to hurt the window but could cause premature wear to the seals if done repeatably for extended periods.

Number 3 · 12-12-2009, 12:09 PM

Opening without indexing is not a problem. To close the door, push the top edge of glass, it should bend just a littel bit, that will allow it to tuck under the molding. And even if you don't do that, it should still close, but the glass could (not likely but could) catch the molding if you close it in the full up position.

Before indexing glass, we used to depend on the glass standing up under the seal when closed and relaxing (bending in toward the car when opened). This would still allow the glass to tuck up under the molding, but indexing glass improves on this a great deal.

I think your owners manual may even detail this for you.

This does not hurt the car at all.

Trust me, I used to do door systems for GM.

Matrix · 12-12-2009, 04:54 PM

OK thanks guys. I really thought you could damage the window by pulling it without it down. This clears it up nicely!

12-12-2009, 07:06 AM	#1
Matrix Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS & Magnum R/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,520	BURNING QUESTION ABOUT INDEXING WINDOWS Forgive me if this has been covered but I cant find it anywhere in the searches Ive done. My question is this! If you disconnected the battery, and everything is locked up how are you going to get inside with the key, cos the I'm thinking, without the battery the windows wont index down and allow you to enter the car. Or will it?? How are you going to open the trunk if there is no battery/ how do you get inside to fold the chairs to get at the battery if the windows wont index in the first place? Am I missing something here? __________________ SIM Camaro 2010 V8-2SS/RS-A6!!+

12-12-2009, 07:39 AM	#3
Dboy23 2G1FB1EV7A9100028 Drives: 2010 Jeep Wrangler Hemi Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 882	Even if the windows don't crack the doors will still open, and you can get to the trunk through the rear seats and just pull the lever to release the trunk. __________________ # 28 - Victory Red 1LT/RS (SOLD)

12-12-2009, 07:40 AM	#4
Matrix Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS & Magnum R/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,520	Wont you risk breaking the window if it doesnt drop down as you open the door? __________________ SIM Camaro 2010 V8-2SS/RS-A6!!+

12-12-2009, 08:51 AM	#8
springerpete Orange GM freak Drives: 2004 3500HD Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ponca City, OK Posts: 784 View My Garage	At the end of the winter; you could open the trunk with the key. After you hook up the battery everything should work as normal. __________________ "My hair's turnin' White, my neck is still Red and my collar is still Blue"

12-12-2009, 09:35 AM	#11
Angrybird 12 7 year Cancer Survivor! Drives: 17 Cruze RS, 07 G6 GT, 99 Astro Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 21,546	You open the door with the key pull the hood lever and put jumper cables on the posts under the hood used to jump off the car, and then use the remote to pop the trunk.. The window indexing is to keep from wearing out the window seals from repeated opening and closing of the door against the very close tolerance of the window seal..It won't hurt to ocassionally open it up without indexing the window... __________________ Cancer's a bitch! Enjoy life while you can! LIVE, LOVE, DRIVE... The Bird is the word! Last edited by Angrybird 12; 12-12-2009 at 01:13 PM.

12-12-2009, 07:33 AM	#2
Tal Drives: Old Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OK Posts: 726	Should open and close, you just won't have the best seal without the indexing.

12-12-2009, 07:50 AM	#5
streetjudge79 Drives: 2016 2SS Camaro Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 275	why would it? I open my door with the window up all the time.

12-12-2009, 08:47 AM	#7
HeavyD Drives: 1SSRS RY L99 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,323	Great question! I think the upper edge would just slide over the seal, and like the other posts sad be a little stiff.

12-12-2009, 11:24 AM	#12
FEN Drives: BLACK 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,092	I agree with Skyman 08.....you are not going to hurt the window but could cause premature wear to the seals if done repeatably for extended periods.

12-12-2009, 12:09 PM	#13
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,306 View My Garage	Opening without indexing is not a problem. To close the door, push the top edge of glass, it should bend just a littel bit, that will allow it to tuck under the molding. And even if you don't do that, it should still close, but the glass could (not likely but could) catch the molding if you close it in the full up position. Before indexing glass, we used to depend on the glass standing up under the seal when closed and relaxing (bending in toward the car when opened). This would still allow the glass to tuck up under the molding, but indexing glass improves on this a great deal. I think your owners manual may even detail this for you. This does not hurt the car at all. Trust me, I used to do door systems for GM. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

12-12-2009, 04:54 PM	#14
Matrix Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS & Magnum R/T Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,520	OK thanks guys. I really thought you could damage the window by pulling it without it down. This clears it up nicely! __________________ SIM Camaro 2010 V8-2SS/RS-A6!!+

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