2010 Camaro SS vs Base Porsche 911?

[harveyy]

96CAMaro is correct. Apples and oranges.

I currently own a '97 911 and track it a lot. It only has 282HP stock and I typically run rings around the musclecars at the track due to them spending money on the HP and little on the suspension and brakes.

I think the new Camaro will do well on the track but the weight is a handicap. It needs to lose 400-500 lbs, be lowered and have adjustable shocks. With those changes it will be a nice track car.

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by srtclg1007

So we're POSITIVE that the '10 Camaro will beat the challenger???? Im wanting a more educated opinion than my own, sorry to kinda sway off topic...

Bearly, only thing yall got on the chally is weight

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Bearly, only thing yall got on the chally is weight

...and horsepower (can someone say "underrated"?), and handling/suspension, and gas mileage (in the interest of track-time, of course ), and transmissions...

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

...and horsepower (can someone say "underrated"?), and handling/suspension, and gas mileage, and transmissions...

You know why its underated, we can bearly get past emissions, If we had full Hemispearical heads instead of the semi hemi heads, the 6.1 would fuc&*ng murder the LS3

..... Besides everyone getting 426 strokers anyway

[Jamestwilliams]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Barely, only thing yall got on the chally is weight

The SS should be at the same price point as the R/T yet will most likely marginally outperform the SRT8. It will crush the R/T which is what most SSs will run into on the street.

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Jamestwilliams

The SS should be at the same price point as the R/T yet will most likely marginally outperform the SRT8. It will crush the R/T which is what most SSs will run into on the street.

Good luck finding one stock

[Jamestwilliams]

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

Good luck finding one stock

Good luck finding a stock SS as well. You know the majority will be stock, but the serious guys will almost all have modded cars on both sides.

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by Jamestwilliams

Good luck finding a stock SS as well. You know the majority will be stock, but the serious guys will almost all have modded cars on both sides.

[Shifty 6]

Originally Posted by headpunter

dont worry there are plenty of negative nancy's out there who will change thier tune.

So the poll was about which car company we prefer and/or the better bang for the buck. Somebody needs to tell ihc95 how to spell company.

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by Shifty 6

So the poll was about which car company we prefer and/or the better bang for the buck. Somebody needs to tell ihc95 how to spell company.

wow my point flew way over your head if thats all you can continually come back to that.


also i agree that the hemi heads now are not at all the monsters they were in the past. one thing to think about though is that the 6.1 is still a steel block and and heavy. if Chrysler had come out with an Al block it would have kept the weight even closer to the camaro and there would be alot more reason for racing comparison (Stock of course) (really we cant talk about what modified cars will do because it is all about how much money and time you have spent)

[DntWrryBeHappy21]

I just dont see the logic in comparing a Camaro SS to a Porsche 911....way i see it is this:
Camaro is a muscle car which means mainly power but because of technology it has what will prove to be awesome handling considering its weight and power.
Porsche 911 is a performance car (IMHO there is a difference) in the sense that it is built for speed but also built for handling. You just can't compare it, the 911 would win simply because its designed for that. Even because of technology the Camaro is still a muscle car...its more at home on the strip (and of course add a few grand towards suspension and tires and it will be at home on a track too) but stock for stock doubt it.

If anything above you dont agree with, well I can see why but understand I would take a camaro over the 911 its just I dont see how they can be compared with each other....its like putting both on the strip and saying which would win? The SS because its built for straight power...(though the 911 would put up a fight)

[radz28]

Originally Posted by headpunter

the thing to think about is how the hell can the camaro be so good that we are today comparing the camaro to the 911.

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

base Camaro SS: $30k
supercharger: $8k, installed and tuned
full on suspension upgrades: $3k
CCW wheels and Michelin PS2 tires: $5k

watching a $46k Camaro SS whip a $90k Porsche 911: priceless


that's what the video is going to be on YouTube... lol

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

and, I might add, that's what it would take for a Camaro to beat a 911 around a track... too much mass to be any different... but if you add enough power to it, even a F4 Phantom jet, which doesn't fly on paper, will break the sound barrier.

Easy on the F4 - I heart that jet

Originally Posted by headpunter

again i still side with top gear, for the money those cars are rubbish. i believe it was jeremy who said youd be an idiot to get a cost comparitive AMG mercedes or M BMW

I like that someone can use rubish in two consecutive posts, LOL! I'm the STIG BTW

Originally Posted by The_Blur

A lot of what you pay is the engineering. I highly doubt, however, that Porsche engineering is 3 times the quality of Chevrolet engineering. The idea of superior German engineering goes back a long way, but it doesn't explain recent trends from American companies, especially out of GM. American cars may not regularly compete on the Nurburgring, but they have brought some great Porsche-punishing times and performances.

*clears throat* CTS-V *clears throat*

Originally Posted by Muscle Master

You know why its underated, we can bearly get past emissions, If we had full Hemispearical heads instead of the semi hemi heads, the 6.1 would fuc&*ng murder the LS3

..... Besides everyone getting 426 strokers anyway

IMO, this argument is about as good as if WE had an LSA the only air your HEMI would pull from the atmosphere would be our exhaust. Come on, is this a serious statement? It's not underrated - it's not emissions efficient therefore you can't have real HEMI heads. Is it our bad that GM could engine better engines?...

[Camaro_Corvette]

I believe we have been told not to call the new camaro a muscle car, and to call it a performance car. The rules are different this time around, This particular camaro was built to perform. I don't find it wrong at all to post a camaro against a porshe, we will see what the numbers come out to be.

[Emher]

Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

When the green light drops the "Bull Sh**" stops... There are going to be a lot of people with their bottom jaw on the ground in the near future...

Yeah I'm personally looking forward to beating one my cousins buddies in his Evo. Just to show the rice where the real power is.