Z/28, will it have a forged rotating assembly?

[Vega]

Wouldnt be a big deal to me since i wouldnt plan on doing much more than a cam and exhaust swap on anything id buy, my only prefference would be an N/A engine over an FI engine, the new LSX454 caught my eye but idk if it has forged internals or not, maybe i'll look into that...

Yep, forged pistons and rods \m/

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I suspect this guy would also "pay to play"...instead of expecting everything for nothing.

also have already paid to play and paid the ultimate price lost my f-body while playing =O( blew the engine and yea. . .

[The_Blur]

We know too little about the Z28, including whether it exists for certain, to know something this specific.

[El-Diablo]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

A lot of the perception surrounding "forged" items is...imo...exaggerated. Hypereutectic pistons are not inferior, rather intended for different purposes. Besides, it's all a moot argument anyways because FEW people will ever need/want/go beyond 600-700 crank hp, and the LSA can handle those levels easily.

It's not a moot argument, it's very relevant to someone who wants to make serious power and work with a car that can handle it without a full rebuild being necessary.

I'm going to disagree with the bold statement as well, there is a market for people interested in surpassing the 600 wheel horsepower mark. You probably are under the assumption that their isn't because you don't see many people doing it here. Most likely because their tuner is telling them not to go that far unless they want to build their engine. Jump onto a Cobra forum and you will see a considerable amount of people making wheel horsepower in the 600-750 range, and some 800, 900, even 1000 horsepower in their 03/04 Cobras and GT500's on engines that many of which haven't had the valve cover off. And they're doing it because they can on the factory forged rotating assembly.

I'm not trying to make this into Ford VS Chevy bs argument. But they are comparable cars. We can also discuss GM vs GM. The ZR1 comes with a forged rotating assembly, I'm sure most can guess why.

[Milk 1027]

You guys are talking about the Z28 as if it exists........

[El-Diablo]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

You guys are talking about the Z28 as if it exists........

Actually the other moderator has changed the topic to how some forged parts are over rated (which is why the ZR1 has them) and all stock LSa's can handle 600 wheel horsepower no sweat.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

A lot of the perception surrounding "forged" items is...imo...exaggerated. Hypereutectic pistons are not inferior, rather intended for different purposes. Besides, it's all a moot argument anyways because FEW people will ever need/want/go beyond 600-700 crank hp, and the LSA can handle those levels easily.

Those Caddy' guys probably would over the modest increase in noise from the forged pieces in LS9. Though, I think it's funny that GM's worried about what kind of Caddy' buyer would worry about a 556-horsepower car with a "noisy" engine, but I'm no expert. Regardless, I wonder how much $$$ is really saved with going the hyper' route instead of only using one piston for BOTH engines... It must have some significance Like you said - I think it'll handle those levels easily; I'd like to see who can test that out, lol!

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

this guy would. lol.

Originally Posted by El-Diablo

It's not a moot argument, it's very relevant to someone who wants to make serious power and work with a car that can handle it without a full rebuild being necessary.

I'm going to disagree with the bold statement as well, there is a market for people interested in surpassing the 600 wheel horsepower mark. You probably are under the assumption that their isn't because you don't see many people doing it here. Most likely because their tuner is telling them not to go that far unless they want to build their engine. Jump onto a Cobra forum and you will see a considerable amount of people making wheel horsepower in the 600-750 range, and some 800, 900, even 1000 horsepower in their 03/04 Cobras and GT500's on engines that many of which haven't had the valve cover off. And they're doing it because they can on the factory forged rotating assembly.

I'm not trying to make this into Ford VS Chevy bs argument. But they are comparable cars. We can also discuss GM vs GM. The ZR1 comes with a forged rotating assembly, I'm sure most can guess why.

How big a market is that really? I know I'm one of those interested, but I really doubt I'd go much past 700 FWHP, if that much at all. I don't think because I'm not as ambitious as others that the car should be watered down, but enthusiasts don't usually sell cars; it's the public. If you give the public the car they want first, I think the enthusiast has a better opportunity to get his/hers. Don't get me wrong - I'd love an engine that would support what Cobras have/do, but the percentage of those that would take advantage of that safety factor is probably relatively small, in the big picture. If they can do it for the right price, I'm all for it

Originally Posted by El-Diablo

Actually the other moderator has changed the topic to how some forged parts are over rated (which is why the ZR1 has them) and all stock LSa's can handle 600 wheel horsepower no sweat.

Umm... no. The "other" Mod' didn't change anything, rather emphasized the fact that with so many complaining about the hyper' pistons in LSA make it totally inferior to the forged pieces in LS9. While, ultimately, the forged pieces in LS9 will likely survive under a lot more serious conditions than those in LSA, there's nothing as wrong with them as many people would like to try to make others that don't know, believe. Consider the pistons in LS3 are hypers' too, and look at the power they're living under with all the SC and sinle-T and TT kits out there. Sure, I'd prefer LS9 pieces over LSA's, but I really don't think the market would support how much I think that would add over any alleged LSA'd Z28; shoot, I think the market will be relatively slim with LSA for that matter! It was never said that LS9 parts are overrated (perception was what was posted) - look again...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by El-Diablo

Actually the other moderator has changed the topic to how some forged parts are over rated (which is why the ZR1 has them) and all stock LSa's can handle 600 wheel horsepower no sweat.

I never said ---....

Originally Posted by radz282003

It was never said that LS9 parts are overrated (perception was what was posted) - look again...

Thank you.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by El-Diablo

It's not a moot argument, it's very relevant to someone who wants to make serious power and work with a car that can handle it without a full rebuild being necessary.

I'm going to disagree with the bold statement as well, there is a market for people interested in surpassing the 600 wheel horsepower mark. You probably are under the assumption that their isn't because you don't see many people doing it here. Most likely because their tuner is telling them not to go that far unless they want to build their engine. Jump onto a Cobra forum and you will see a considerable amount of people making wheel horsepower in the 600-750 range, and some 800, 900, even 1000 horsepower in their 03/04 Cobras and GT500's on engines that many of which haven't had the valve cover off. And they're doing it because they can on the factory forged rotating assembly.

I'm not trying to make this into Ford VS Chevy bs argument. But they are comparable cars. We can also discuss GM vs GM. The ZR1 comes with a forged rotating assembly, I'm sure most can guess why.

Originally Posted by radz282003

How big a market is that really? I know I'm one of those interested, but I really doubt I'd go much past 700 FWHP, if that much at all. I don't think because I'm not as ambitious as others that the car should be watered down, but enthusiasts don't usually sell cars; it's the public. If you give the public the car they want first, I think the enthusiast has a better opportunity to get his/hers. Don't get me wrong - I'd love an engine that would support what Cobras have/do, but the percentage of those that would take advantage of that safety factor is probably relatively small, in the big picture. If they can do it for the right price, I'm all for it

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

A lot of the perception surrounding "forged" items is...imo...exaggerated. Hypereutectic pistons are not inferior, rather intended for different purposes. Besides, it's all a moot argument anyways because FEW people will ever need/want/go beyond 600-700 crank hp, and the LSA can handle those levels easily.

I'm lost are we talking crank/flywheel or rear wheel hp. can be a big difference between the two. lol.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

I'm lost are we talking crank/flywheel or rear wheel hp. can be a big difference between the two. lol.

I'm talking crank/flywheel...because that's how it's all advertised and rated.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'm talking crank/flywheel...because that's how it's all advertised and rated.

true but when you start modding the only way to really rate a modded car is rear wheel hp. so I can see the difference in how you all are talking. but it's easy to confuse the two. . .

go on a cobalt forum and FWHP stands for frontwheel horsepower. lol.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

true but when you start modding the only way to really rate a modded car is rear wheel hp. so I can see the difference in how you all are talking. but it's easy to confuse the two. . .

Agreed. I should have clarified...

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

go on a cobalt forum and FWHP stands for frontwheel horsepower. lol.

well...then there's FWHP, RWHP, AWHP, Crank, brake, and flywheel.....then you could go into the metric kilowatt ratings...

[sask-man]

I have not seen anything anywhere from GM that indicated the Z-28 is on the books to be produced. After the crash and the bailout the "idea" that they would produce the Camaro, then the ragtop, then the Z-28 was put on permanet hiatus. The Ragtop was already in early stages and was pushed ahead...but I have NEVER read or heard anything from GM that the Z-28 idea is still alive.

Trust me I would LOVE it to be so...but until GM releases word, it's all wishful thinking!

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by sask-man

I have not seen anything anywhere from GM that indicated the Z-28 is on the books to be produced. After the crash and the bailout the "idea" that they would produce the Camaro, then the ragtop, then the Z-28 was put on permanet hiatus. The Ragtop was already in early stages and was pushed ahead...but I have NEVER read or heard anything from GM that the Z-28 idea is still alive.

Trust me I would LOVE it to be so...but until GM releases word, it's all wishful thinking!

you probably haven't looked hard enough or read between the lines enough. there's been no official statement but enough people in the company have stated several different things about the possibility of the Z28. plus two motortrend says it's in the works. . .from their official source. . .