The Camaro is causing Ford to lay off workers at the Mustang plant

[Rogue Leader]

Originally Posted by Memaat

There are only two types of people period. Your either mustang or camaro. There is no switching back and forth. To insinuate mustang buyers are being converted to camaro buyers is a huge stretch of the imagination. Nobody lost a job either as they will just shuffle workers around the local area to other plants or assembly lines. I pushed my Chevy mini-van past the mustang dealer for over two years waiting for a camaro. I never glanced over at the mustangs once...not once.

What world do you live in? There are tons and tons of people that have switched camps since the Camaro left in 2002. Theres plenty of people like me who while I would not buy the Mustang, I appreciate it. If i got one for free I'd drive it too. Heck if I needed a used car and came across a good deal on one, I might even consider it.

People are not so entrenced in their brand loyalty as we are, theres tons of people out there who want the latest and greatest, or are ready to go Camaor, BMW, Mustang, infiniti, etc they don't care they buy what they like no matter who makes it.

Originally Posted by nfamous209

layoffs are never good. but hey its payback for what they forced gm to do in 2002.

Yeah because the guy mounting the door or hanging the rearend on a 2010 Mustang really went to work in 2002 every day saying "We are gonna shut down those bastards at GM". Its a job, people need to cut the emotional attachment to the car.

[linkwpc]

Thats sucks... It looks like the price of the new 5.0 just went up! It cost people their jobs just to keep up with the camaro...

[linkwpc]

Originally Posted by rpepka

I think Americans need jobs and the car should be built in the states.

Too bad ours are not... :(

[SSRSLY]

Originally Posted by Indy2010

There can only be so much market share for cars like the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger (especially in hard economic times). The introduction of the Camaro and the Challenger take a piece of the pie that solely belonged to Ford for many years.

Exactly. Pony cars have always been niche cars, and it's not a large niche at that.

Originally Posted by Memaat

There are only two types of people period. Your either mustang or camaro. There is no switching back and forth. To insinuate mustang buyers are being converted to camaro buyers is a huge stretch of the imagination.

Wanna hear a cool story? I just sold my MUSTANG a month ago.

[DSworo9]

IMO, The production of the Mustang is still popular. People are still buying this car and is not that far back of Camaro sales. Personally, I think this is just Ford trying to save more $ on the bottom line.

[derklug]

Originally Posted by DSworo9

IMO, The production of the Mustang is still popular. People are still buying this car and is not that far back of Camaro sales. Personally, I think this is just Ford trying to save more $ on the bottom line.

That's how companies survive and make a profit. You remember profit don't you, it's that thing that keeps you away from Washington with your hat in your hand.

[nfamous209]

Originally Posted by fireresq157

That was more due to GM thinking SUV's and trucks were the future, but when your heart is not in building somethin thats what you get. They barely even advertised the cars back then. Unlike now were they don't need to because of demand and transformers movies , toys, t-shirts ect.

oh so true. last camaro commercial was when? 70's 80's? yeah gm really messed up. imagin if they spent a lil more time on interior quality and suspension they would have had a huge hit especially when the LS1 came to play. some people dont agree w/ me but interior quality should still be top priority in GM. people spend time inside the car, so quality should not be over looked. Hell if a lexus IS can sell for 30K-40K very nimble car with very nice interior especially in quality, i think gm should be able to do it. sorry for being a tad off topic.

back to topic.

but yes definatly sad to see 900 people lost their jobs. especially in times like this. hopefully they can get a new job/career quick so they're families dont suffer.

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

I would hope not because it wouldn't be in mine!



We'll see, come talk to me after 2011 MY sales numbers are final. I stick by my statement the Mustang will outsell the Camaro unless we see some kind of dramatic failure of the US economy. Which is quite possible. Then it really won't matter which one sells more because both manufactures won't be selling many.

The new Mustang motors are going to bring more people into showrooms. Step out of Camaro5 for a minute and check out the rest of the web. Mustang sites have much more activity. A lot of positive comments on neutral car sites. Then when reviews hit and we see the Mustang close the gap and maybe even exceed the Camaro it will bring in more of the general public. Don't forget a lot of these first year Camaro sales come from guys waiting years for a new Camaro. They have their cars now. Will the general public fill that sales void in 2011?

My guess is the 2011 mustang wont meet the sales numbers of the 2010 mustang yet alone the 2011 camaro. Remember the Camaro is outselling it at MSRP and up, while you can get a gt and gt500's (or whatever they are called now) for under msrp. Theres probably 27 people that actually care about the 5.0 being on the side. As for the rest of the web, this site still probably has more mustang activity than any mustang website.

When the Camaro gets cheaper, look out.

Originally Posted by nfamous209

layoffs are never good. but hey its payback for what they forced gm to do in 2002.

GM did that to themselves.

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

Ha! I guarantee you the new 2011 Mustang won't out sell the Camaro, by not even one month. 2011 belongs to the Camaro. Sorry if I sound like the Marofan boy but I just don't see the new 5.0 Mustang out selling the Camaro. Right now, nobody is digging that 2010 Mustang, the Camaro is on top in sales right now, I think that will continue in the future because the new 5.0 looks exactly the same as the 2010 model except for more performance being implemented into the car. You can debate me on that, do an external comparison, the 2010 Mustang and the 2011 Mustang 5.0 looks exactly the same with no difference. Oh wow, they add "5.0" side decals to the car, big change! Shock and awe! Other than that, the car is exactly the same as the 2010 in looks, and because of that, I don't think any more customers are going to buy it than what was already sold in first year of 2010 Mustangs arrival.

You can't just change the performance of a car and make no cosmetic changes to it and expect people to say "oh we have more power now, so let's buy more". The fact is it still looks the same. Sure under the hood looks all good, but 90 percent of people don't buy a car based on how under the hood looks. Most people buy based one what they can see first,.....the looks of the car, and the interior then they start thinking about it's performance. Just because the new Mustang is getting a better engine, I don't see anything changing much between the 2010 and the 2011 version.

Now and days, I see more Camaros out and about, not many, but I'm definitely seeing more Camaros than I use to down here. I saw 4 in one day yesterday,.....a record for me. I think more of the reason why people are buying the new Camaro is because more than any performance numbers it can put out, IT LOOKS GOOD, JUST GREAT. Chevy got it right with it's design, next the power, every enthusiast wants that, so it's a plus. New mustang.......FAIL.

Originally Posted by Ghost of Vincent Price

My guess is the 2011 mustang wont meet the sales numbers of the 2010 mustang yet alone the 2011 camaro. Remember the Camaro is outselling it at MSRP and up, while you can get a gt and gt500's (or whatever they are called now) for under msrp. Theres probably 27 people that actually care about the 5.0 being on the side. As for the rest of the web, this site still probably has more mustang activity than any mustang website.

When the Camaro gets cheaper, look out.

Spoken like true fan boys guys. The only thing I can agree with is that this site has more "activity" being the Camaro is a hot new product. There is a lot of interest in the 2011 Mustang. Both in the Mustang community and the web. It's not about the 5.0 badge being on the side. It's the performance and other tweaks that are coming to the cars. 2010 was the year of the Camaro and rightfully so. 2011 will be the Mustang's year. You guys keep down playing the new motors and other performance enhancements from the V6 to the GT500. We'll just have to see when the sales numbers starts rolling in. Bottom line is there is a lot of demand for the new 5.0 and a lot of Shelby guys upgrading their 07-09 to the 2011 with the aluminum block.

Oh and the Camaro is already cheaper and starting to sit on lots around here.

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

Spoken like true fan boys guys. The only thing I can agree with is that this site has more "activity" being the Camaro is a hot new product. There is a lot of interest in the 2011 Mustang. Both in the Mustang community and the web.

Can you explain why ls1tech is bigger than every mustang forum put together then?


Im not saying the mustang is weak sauce, just saying 2011 wont beat 2010 sales. I dont think 2011 Camaro sales will beat 2010 camaro sales either. But still the camaro will outsell the mustang imo. The mustang needs a redesign to go with that new motor.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Vincent Price

Can you explain why ls1tech is bigger than every mustang forum put together then?


Im not saying the mustang is weak sauce, just saying 2011 wont beat 2010 sales. I dont think 2011 Camaro sales will beat 2010 camaro sales either. But still the camaro will outsell the mustang imo. The mustang needs a redesign to go with that new motor.

I 100% disagree. The reason 2010 sells were down is because the new 5.0 has not exactly been a secret. There are a LOT of people waiting for the 11s to hit to get this new 5.0 and even the new V6. Also remember, the Camaro had a lot of pent up demand that has been driving it's sales, that is not going to last too much longer......

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Originally Posted by Stew

I 100% disagree. The reason 2010 sells were down is because the new 5.0 has not exactly been a secret. There are a LOT of people waiting for the 11s to hit to get this new 5.0 and even the new V6. Also remember, the Camaro had a lot of pent up demand that has been driving it's sales, that is not going to last too much longer......

Do you have proof that the reason the 2010 mustang sales were down was because everyone knew of the 5.0 for the 2011 or are you just making excuses?

The average joe doenst know ship about cars...they just hear Camaro is coming back and go buy one, or mustang has a redesign so they go buy one. I doubt the 5.0 had very much to do with sales. The average user on this site(most car sites for that matter) is not that informed about the car he/she owns and ask plenty of straight dumb questions. Just read through the pages of stupid post after stupid post. Then go to a mustang site that has more than 150 total posts and you will see the same thing. Average people trying to learn about the car they already bought.

I still say 2011 mustang sales are going to be weaker than 2010. Nobody gets excited for v6 versions....I dont care which car brand you prefer. So that wont bump sales...eventhough most mustang sales are 6 cylinders. LOL mostly because chicks drive them...kind of like a vw bug.

[Ninjak]

You see, there you are wrong. If camaro sales were so great, why have not Camaro outsold a Mustang since the 80's till now ? Why did not the gen 4 outsell a mustang ? People who know the brand and are looking will look towards the new V6 and GT and go hmmm wow a update. Just as Camaro owners had a lot of brand loyalty pushing the sales, so will the Mustang.

Many have waited for this retool. Many like the new body and new interior of the 10. So those people waited for the 2011 to arrive. Other's have taking advantage of the sales for 2010. People who were on the fence may had gone with Camaro because simply it was more car for the same money as a 2010 Mustang. Now with 2011, that advantage is gone. Those same buyers will now look and see both vehicles on even playing fields.

All one need to do is look at the 2005 sales. The new style and more power sold Mustangs. Now with the return of the iconic 5.0, it will happen again. As many of you like to say on this board, "you see Mustangs on every corner!" Well you know....its a reason for that....and that's just not with the s197 generations. Ford is on a roll. Many of the cars are doing quite well. The 2011 will sell well. Very well I think, and I think you will be in for a surprise of just how well it does.

[Ghost of Vincent Price]

Mustangs sell more 6 cyls than gts. Thats what keeps them afloat and helps to keep gt costs down. A 4th gen fbody would whoop the shit out of any equivelent year mustang gt. But just because the mustang sold more didnt mean it was a better car.

You cant say the 2011 mustang and camaro are on the same level because you dont know what if anything they are doing to the 2011 camaro. I would guess nothing anyways though if I know GM.

Mustangs were cheaper too btw. But chicks dig them so of course they sell more.