some thoughts about the camaro...a new yorkers point of view

[ucla1ove3]

garfin... ahahahahahahaahahahahahahah lmao ^^

[kylepo]

I wonder if this guy realizes that the starting price for a 2009 challenger R/T is $30,990 and the camaro 1SS starts at $30,995 so are we going to really argue about a 5 dollar difference??? And I think we all know which of the two cars will be faster.

[blackZbandit]

Hate to quote my own post but...

[YellrRS]

Here was my thought process on v6 vs. v8. It wasnt the cylinders, but the horsepower. The v6 has over 300 horse, and thats at least what the 60's Z28 had if I remember correctly.

At the pump it will take regular, get better gas mileage, and probably be less to insure. What adjustment I will make, is to the exhaust note. After that I will be plenty fast, and sounding good

[rlg3]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice.

That said..

YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise.

Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content.

Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did.

Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper.

+1

[rlg3]

Originally Posted by garfin

#1 Glad to meet another enthusiast! Hope you're enjoying the rebirth of reasonably priced power and performance!! (not to mention style and presence!!) FWIW, "presence" is not the same as a Christmas present...
#2 When trying to get your point across and establish legitimacy, proper spelling and correct grammar really does go a long way.
#3 "Ludacris" is a group - not an adjective. (thank you for spelling Camaro correctly!)
#4 So you think nobody wants to drive a V6 Camaro... because "that's how it's always been"?
Oh man, for your information, that was yesterday... and today is now. I have driven the V6 Camaro and to put it in the simplest of terms, IT'S JUST FREAKIN' AWESOME. This car is a huge surprise and just joy to drive!
#5 1SS is simply one of the best, if not the best performance car values that's been made available to our market in a very long time - most likely since before when you were born... but... that doesn't necessarily make you a bad person!
#6 No mid-level V8 is a concern for you?!?
Here's a philosophy you can take to the bank:
"ANYTHING WORTH DOING, IS WORTH OVERDOING
We don't need no steenkin' "mid-level" V8s - especially with a V6 car that runs 0-60 times in 6 seconds... or less!!
#7 Do your homework, and the math... so that you find a way to get your prices right... and then make your comparisons!
#8 Thank you for your post and allowing me the opportunity to do this!!! I've had an absolute blast!
I'm looking forward to meeting you and seeing you in your new 5th Gen!! What color do you think you might be ordering?!?

Best regardSS,

Elie

ludacris is not group he is a solo artist

[camaro5]

Outside the Camaro world there are people who feel it is priced too high. It's not cheap, let's face it.

The Ford engineers went through a giant battle in'05 with their beancounters regarding independant rear suspension. The beancounters won. Solid rear axle is too retro for me, and most people.

So think of the Camaro as getting a modern design, that is also fresh, and comes with an interior with some style. IRS would cost you more than $2000 in the Mustang, if they offered it.

The restyled 2010 Mustang is just that...The same thing re-styled. Not my first car choice, but on my list. I like everything fun to drive.

I was all set for Camaro official pricing...Think Pontiac G8 GT and G8 GXP, the Camaro are sister and brother in more ways than one.

And BTW, we welcome Mustang owners here, GM wants and needs to earn your business.

[kylepo]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice.

That said..

YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise.

Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content.

Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did.

Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper.

your right price does sell cars thats why you can get a 300 hp camaro for $22,545 and a 300 hp mustang for $26,775 and the $22,545 car has more content

[JMAN311]

Originally Posted by 06stalliongt

.........All Im sayin is yeah i respect the technology of a 300hp V6 but muscle cars arent about that...there about balls to the wall power wrapped in an attention grabbing exterior that turns heads and wont put a hole in your pocket

So a 300hp V6 isn't "balls to the wall power" but a 300hp mustang V8 for $3K more is?

[Reborn]

Originally Posted by JMAN311

So a 300hp V6 isn't "balls to the wall power" but a 300hp mustang V8 for $3K more is?

[heavyt100]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice.

That said..

YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise.

Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content.

Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did.

Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper.

I'm OK with people buying Mustangs on price alone.

It only means my Camaro will be built sooner.

That's not a bad thing.

[06stalliongt]

the horse power may be the same...but ur gonna tell me that off the line at lets say englishtown, nj the v6 camaro will beat the mustang gt not in a million passes my friends...second ive done my research the 1ss barely has any options so yeah its a good deal if u wnt a strip down v8...the challenger r/t has plenty of options that wont make u feel left out if u didnt get an srt/8...but like ive said everyone has there own opinion...years ago if u ordered a v6 camaro u were prob a blonde chic frm long island...haha

[Captain Awesome]

Originally Posted by 06stalliongt

the horse power may be the same...but ur gonna tell me that off the line at lets say englishtown, nj the v6 camaro will beat the mustang gt not in a million passes my friends...second ive done my research the 1ss barely has any options so yeah its a good deal if u wnt a strip down v8...the challenger r/t has plenty of options that wont make u feel left out if u didnt get an srt/8...but like ive said everyone has there own opinion...years ago if u ordered a v6 camaro u were prob a blonde chic frm long island...haha

"Barely has any options"?

What kind of nonsense is that???

Some supercars have NO OPTIONS! The toys all come STANDARD.

[TheMadHatter99]

Originally Posted by diarmadhi

I am in the same boat.. unfortunately its SLIGHTLY higher than I thought it would be and I believe I can get it down to invoice.

That said..

YES its a great deal for what you are getting, NO its a $h1tty deal compared to the mustang. GM wanted to compete on the mustangs level.. but are too far above it content wise.

Basically these are 2 cars in separate categories (AGAIN) and the mustang will sell more based on price ALONE. This is where GM screwed up.. yes they wanted to give us more content.. but they need to price it LIKE a mustang regardless of content.

Personally I think they should have cut back content to compete better on price. But we have to live with what they did.

Edit: final thought... Content doesn't sell cars... PRICE sells cars. The general public is going to hear 30k for a v8 and immediately head to the mustang becuase its a v8 and cheaper.

+1000000000000000

My thoughts exactly. Make a lot of the "standard" equipment optional and offer a lower base price to attract more customers.

I'm afraid with this pricing I just don't see GM reaching their six-figure sale goals.