worked a 2010 Cam wreck the other day

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by ga0358

SO, This brings up a question-WHY build a machine that is capable of such speeds? What USE is 140 mph? If you get all that weight moving at that kind of speed, its an incredibly deadly machine.

I got mine on a straightaway on I-75 and got her to 119..but that's with 4 lanes empty for approx 1/2 mile...Admittedly, it was FUN, and she was capable of doing MUCH faster..But would this accident scaldedchevy describes have happened if the engine was governed at say 70 mph?

SURE, it takes away the fun factor, but saves lives..There is NO practical purpose for allowing a car to go that fast.

..Discuss...

Take away my guns because someone killed someone with them, while you're at it.

Also don't sell knives because someone got stabbed.

Oh yeah, and ban matches because someone burned their house down.

And finally, get rid of TV and video games, b/c it gives me ideas.

If we start limiting cars, where will it stop?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by balthazar

Filthy pollen wont stay off it long enough. :(

Nature...bah...

Hmm only place I see any pollen on mine is on the black stripes .. and I use my California duster to get it off...

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Rollin Thunder

you can still crash on a track and die.

Usually they have emergency crews right there so there is less a chance that would happen than if you crashed out in the boonies....

[autobot kj]

Originally Posted by scaldedchevy

no, i wudnt put the pics on a public forum out of respect for the family.

Plus it would be a HIPAA violation & you could loose your job over it too

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Usually they have emergency crews right there so there is less a chance that would happen than if you crashed out in the boonies....

Running into a wall at 106mph is usually catastrophic. Emergency crew or not.

[2SSARMY]

It's not like people who get into a wreck at the track drive their cars into the wall. You can handle a car just fine, but if your tire blows at 90mph down the track there's very little you can do. If the guy you're racing loses control and runs into you, there's little you can do. If an oil spill goes un-noticed and you hit it, there's very little you can do....

There's plenty of external factors that can affect your day at the track..

[Rollin Thunder]

you can be as big of idiot on a track as you can on the road. Only difference is legal issues. If you screw up, you could still take somebody else with you. Im not condoning street racing. But "take it to the track" aint exactly the perfect answer.

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Rollin Thunder

Im not condoning street racing. But "take it to the track" aint exactly the perfect answer.

Unfortunately, there is no perfect answer. Man, that is a horrible way to go. I just don't understand why he would have done that, especially when he knows the road so well.

[BadSS]

Originally Posted by balthazar

No, I got your point, it's just faulty logic. The one reasonable nugget, that driving faster is more dangerous isn't that plainly obvious as for instance there is very little difference in risk in this car between 60 and 70. And as for doubling the speed limit, again, nobody is arguing it's not stupid. The point wasn't that he caught a bad break and usually it's perfectly safe. The point was he was an adult, perfectly capable of making his own decisions, as was his passenger.

And he made a bad one.

Suggesting we prevent people from making bad decisions is something that only people who cannot take care of themselves will be OK with.


Let it inspire you to be a smarter/better driver. It's sad as hell that he died, but use this as a cautionary tale. Maybe something can be gained from an otherwise outright loss.

I get tired of the government controlling nearly every aspect of our daily lives just like everyone else but your logic is skewed.

You are correct that he was an adult, perfectly capable of making his own decision, as well as his passenger but what about the family of, say four, that was on the other side of that crest and they are all dead now. So now you have others that made the decision to obey the law but are gone because the idiot doing 140 on a public road "was perfectly capable of making his own decision" to kill himself and innocent people. What if that family happened to be yours that he killed???? You would be the first to file a lawsuit for millions on the basis that he was traveling too fast. Think about it!!!

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by ga0358

SO, This brings up a question-WHY build a machine that is capable of such speeds? What USE is 140 mph? If you get all that weight moving at that kind of speed, its an incredibly deadly machine.

I got mine on a straightaway on I-75 and got her to 119..but that's with 4 lanes empty for approx 1/2 mile...Admittedly, it was FUN, and she was capable of doing MUCH faster..But would this accident scaldedchevy describes have happened if the engine was governed at say 70 mph?

SURE, it takes away the fun factor, but saves lives..There is NO practical purpose for allowing a car to go that fast.

..Discuss...

lol there was just a post on this you better go read it

[balthazar]

Originally Posted by BadSS

I get tired of the government controlling nearly every aspect of our daily lives just like everyone else but your logic is skewed.

You are correct that he was an adult, perfectly capable of making his own decision, as well as his passenger but what about the family of, say four, that was on the other side of that crest and they are all dead now. So now you have others that made the decision to obey the law but are gone because the idiot doing 140 on a public road "was perfectly capable of making his own decision" to kill himself and innocent people. What if that family happened to be yours that he killed???? You would be the first to file a lawsuit for millions on the basis that he was traveling too fast. Think about it!!!

My logic is skewed because you made stuff up and started talking about a whole other topic?

Your logic is "skewed" (do you even know what that means?) because you assume we could ever stop it. Taking the suggestion given, if every car was limited to 70mph, and he was doing 70 over a hill and the other car was doing 40, that's a closing speed of 110mph...guess what, everyone is still dead.

So maybe we limit it to 50, now we can't even do INTERSTATE speeds.

Or maybe we can just accept the fact that you can't stop terrible things from happening and the only way to even try is to cut back on how much living we can do.

Drive very slowly, be cavity searched before getting on a plane, don't own guns, only use butter knives and maybe even plastic at that.

You get to a point where the faulty logic of "it could have been prevented" leads you to ignore the costs of the actions you take to try to stop people from being killed.

People will always kill other people. People will always kill themselves. sometimes on purpose, sometimes by accident.

The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can stop being caught up in trying to keep everyone alive and start living a life.

I find it very ironic btw that a society filled with people who seldom if ever really live, is so hung up on extending that mundane existence as long as possible.

I'd rather die in a fireball in the middle of a field at 45 than sitting in a chair watching american idle at 70.

Simple fact of the matter is, even if your life isn't "cut short", it's still VERY short. Spend it living life and cherishing the people you have and not filing the sharp edges off everything you see.

Oh and try to practice a little common sense and intelligence...see how much that ups your life expectancy.

[5thGenOwner]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Take away my guns because someone killed someone with them, while you're at it.

Also don't sell knives because someone got stabbed.

Oh yeah, and ban matches because someone burned their house down.

And finally, get rid of TV and video games, b/c it gives me ideas.

If we start limiting cars, where will it stop?

Excellent point, and believe me without getting political... I'm all about personal responsibility (and parents who actually 'raise' their children).

But...

Automobiles are 'slightly' different. They are far more dangerous than everything you mentioned (guns, knives, matches), and it is much easier (to get behind the wheel), for the most part. This is a multi-ton hunk of metal that can be hurled at over 100 mph easy. Only the military has weapons which can do that.

But there is no 1 answer... no 1 trait... no 1 way, to say that 'this' person should or shouldn't be able to drive. Note: State driving tests are a joke. And how many people are on the road right now without a valid driver's license or insurance. It's dangerous out there! My point being that there is no way to 'fix' this problem if someone deems it that.

So here I have to fall back on my personal responsibility (& hope). Be the best defensive driver out there, and pray luck is always on your side.

Finally, I just want to say I did have a friend just out of High School pull something similar to this story... except he lived, and his passenger did not. He went to jail for manslaughter. Be safe Camaro5!

[SDCamaro10]

I think what this guy is getting at, is that everyone is capable of making their own decisions, whether they are bad or good. You cant tell someone else how to live their life, nor should anyone criticize the way someone wants to live their life. If he wants to go out at 45 rather then 70, good on him. Thats his opinion, let him have it.

It was irresponsible of the driver in this crash, yes? i think we can all agree on that. But it was HIS choice to do it. Every decision you make has a pro and con, and whether or not you can reason it out and make the best decision, is all on you. Im sure he got the rush he was going for, but the end result im sure he wasnt expecting. It happens.

It seems like some of you are trying to live in a bubble, sorry if that offends you. There will always be idiots out there doing something stupid. You cant prevent it, I cant prevent it. Be defensive, but dont expect to live life without risk. Take a look at everything that is man-made. If it has a control to make it safer, to make it work one way and only one way.. it will be cracked by someone out there to work the way it shouldnt. Putting controls on everything isnt going to solve anything. Just because you govern a car at a lower speed isnt going to make it incredibly safer. I knew a guy who got out of his parked truck, his foot caught on his running board, fell and hit his head and died. Might as well cover everything in foam and pillows.

Point is.. If you make a decision, as rational as it may be, be prepared to live with any consequences. Take some risks in life, and have fun with it, but the risk doesnt have to be unnecessary.

[StuntmanMike]

Originally Posted by balthazar

Not that it matters because you still miss the point that if I want to strap a fricken rocket to my Camaro and fire it off a cliff your job is to butt out unless the bottom of that cliff is a populated area.

Wrong. Our job is to point and laugh at the idiot. Many of them like you on youtube. It's only unfortunate when they kill someone else with their antics. When they kill themselves, hilarity ensure.

By all means, do as you wish. I'll watch the news and wait to laugh.

Originally Posted by balthazar

If I want to kill myself goddammit that's my choice. If my passenger wants to ride with me, that is theirs.

And if they die because of your antics, that makes you their murderer.