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Old 04-13-2010, 11:32 AM   #43
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That the term "ergonomic" is subjective to the body size of the person in the car...

For example, I'm 5' 9" and the car fits me fine.

However, I know that shorter people are not happy with the camaro's layout.

So, what may not be ergonomically suitable to one, very well will be perfect for another.

Nothing ground breaking...
I see what you are saying. I'm not really thinking about a persons size when thinking about the camaro interiors issues. It's more like placement of things which would affect everyone.

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The stalks are too short and the left one which controls the DIC is a pain to control while driving. You should be able to touch them while your hands are still on the wheel and I am sure folks with smaller hands then mine cannot do that.

The buttons on the overhead console are tough to find in the dark.

The hazzard/door lock buttons are very low on the dash.

The trunk release might be better placed whever the door lock button is.

Not sure what those pieces of plastic called sunvisors are for.

You cannot have a Big Gulp in the cup holder and shift a stick.

The power plug should be inside the console as the Ipod or memory stick connection is. Would be nice to be able to charge my IPOD and play from it without having this black spooled up wire running from inside my console, around my shifter to the power plug.

You cannot take your eyes off the road and quickly glance at the console gauges. That is the worst place to put them if you want them to be useful. The interior designers said so themselves - it was placed there more for the '68 and '69 novelty than ideal ergonomics.

The sill is so high, it's impossible to to get in and out without scuffing the interior plate. That's a sacrifice that cannot be changed due to the exterior design/platform but that doesn't mean it's ergonomic.

The brake pedal is too high in relation to the gas pedal.You cannot heel and toe the car.

I want to make clear that I am very happy with my interior because of all the first gen tributes in it. There are always going to be ergonomic sacrifices when doing a tribute interior. Come to think of it, my 4th gen interior is more ergonomic than my 5th gen interior. That does not mean I like it more or that the 4th gen quality is better.
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:33 AM   #44
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I am glad to see the Camaro get recognized for a well done interior.

As far as areas they could improve on I agree with the comments that say the button overhead for the garrage door opener is hard to locate in the dark; however I don't have much of an issue with the cupholder location. They are not very well suited for big gulps, but they are just fine for cans. After all it is a sports car and not a minivan or sport utility!
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:33 AM   #45
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I also limit what is brought into the car so I'm not overly concerned
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:35 AM   #46
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:39 AM   #47
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I am glad to see the Camaro get recognized for a well done interior.

As far as areas they could improve on I agree with the comments that say the button overhead for the garrage door opener is hard to locate in the dark; however I don't have much of an issue with the cupholder location. They are not very well suited for big gulps, but they are just fine for cans. After all it is a sports car and not a minivan or sport utility!


I find many complaints about the interior are "specific"...meaning, the complaints are centered around a specific circumstance that the makes the feature perform poorly. In MOST circumstances it's great......but there's always that one....

Back on topic, I think Wards picked well. And congrats to all involved: One more nick in your belts!
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:40 AM   #48
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Wow, that plus my interior is like a win win...Wahoo..
Serious! You picked the right automobile to customize! And other than the spankin' new stereo, you kept the style mostly stock but gave it a well deserved upgrade. I believe my first comments were that it was a "Cadillac Camaro".

The external design award... I saw comming (we all did ), but I had no clue on interiors. I had heard time and time again that people preferred the mustang interior even though it wasn't as 'retro'.

Anyway... Way To Go, again, GM!
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:43 AM   #50
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Old 04-13-2010, 11:45 AM   #51
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The power plug should be inside the console as the Ipod or memory stick connection is. Would be nice to be able to charge my IPOD and play from it without having this black spooled up wire running from inside my console, around my shifter to the power plug.
IPODs don't charge off USB? If so, major fail on Apple's part. My wife's cheapo Sansa even charges off USB....
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IPODs don't charge off USB? If so, major fail on Apple's part. My wife's cheapo Sansa even charges off USB....
No, that's true - they can.
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I see what you are saying. I'm not really thinking about a persons size when thinking about the camaro interiors issues. It's more like placement of things which would affect everyone.

For example:

The stalks are too short and the left one which controls the DIC is a pain to control while driving. You should be able to touch them while your hands are still on the wheel and I am sure folks with smaller hands then mine cannot do that.

The buttons on the overhead console are tough to find in the dark.

Agreed

The hazzard/door lock buttons are very low on the dash.

I prefer visible button to be grouped instead of scattered. I'm cool with this one

The trunk release might be better placed whever the door lock button is.

again personal preference. I like it where it is.

Not sure what those pieces of plastic called sunvisors are for.

LOL actually mine work just fine.

You cannot have a Big Gulp in the cup holder and shift a stick.

shame on you.

The power plug should be inside the console as the Ipod or memory stick connection is. Would be nice to be able to charge my IPOD and play from it without having this black spooled up wire running from inside my console, around my shifter to the power plug.

I have a power plug in my console... No kidding... And doesn't the usb charge your Iphone... Mine does..

You cannot take your eyes off the road and quickly glance at the console gauges. That is the worst place to put them if you want them to be useful. The interior designers said so themselves - it was placed there more for the '68 and '69 novelty than ideal ergonomics.

again. Form over function. and I agree. I think personally I'd rather have the storage space... But they sure are purdy

The sill is so high, it's impossible to to get in and out without scuffing the interior plate. That's a sacrifice that cannot be changed due to the exterior design/platform but that doesn't mean it's ergonomic.

Doesn't mean it's a problem either. I keep my seat high so it's not a problem for me.

The brake pedal is too high in relation to the gas pedal.You cannot heel and toe the car.

Again, personal preference. I can use it just fine... even a heel toe shift every now and then...

I want to make clear that I am very happy with my interior because of all the first gen tributes in it. There are always going to be ergonomic sacrifices when doing a tribute interior. Come to think of it, my 4th gen interior is more ergonomic than my 5th gen interior. That does not mean I like it more or that the 4th gen quality is better.
You have every right to your opinions on this but they are still subjective.

At this point I think we can all agree no car is perfect for everyone.
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Old 04-13-2010, 12:09 PM   #54
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Old 04-13-2010, 12:14 PM   #55
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Don't get me wrong, I like the interior, I just wished it was closer to the concept.
A lot of people were pumped about the 4 gauge cluster (I was as well) but I really liked the speedometer design. I wished they could have kept that metallic retro look. Even the metal work on and around the shifter is beautiful.

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That is the first non fanboy comment I have ever seen you make. I do agree with you and in all fairness to GM, they knew that building such a non ergonomic interior in favor of nostalgic features would be controvercial. There's hope for you yet Davin.
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