Will Chevy Strike Back?

[TxHighRoller88]

Originally Posted by SemperFi

Look at the number of mustangs on the road compared to Camaros on the road. Although the Camaro started out wayyyy strong, mustang still sold more units last year. Those are facts.

Ya because they are a hell of alot cheaper too!

[rez333]

Originally Posted by SwiftCat

Because a legitimate discussion entails giving objective information from both sides of the road...pros and cons...not elevating one side above the other in just about every category while hiding behind the shroud of being a Camaro owner...this without ever seeing an official 2011 Camaro...regardless of whether or not we believe the 2011 stats will be the same.
Swifty

I fail to see how this legitimizes giving a lame response such as "go buy a mustang already". If you're fed up with the topic - don't participate. (not aiming this comment at you per se).

I think people need to learn proper forum etiquette. Not every topic is going to be to everyone's taste, but guess what: we all have a choice to read/participate or not, and choosing not to participate is the higher road to replying something useless and provocative such as "go buy a mustang already".

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by rez333

I think people need to learn proper forum etiquette. Not every topic is going to be to everyone's taste, but guess what: we all have a choice to read/participate or not, and choosing not to participate is the higher road to replying something useless and provocative such as "go buy a mustang already".

Post of the day! Effing eh dude! BTW people - thank a vet for what I have highlighted...

[SwiftCat]

Originally Posted by Rockhead

It's public knowledge not Internet hearsay. If you can disprove this with
documentation I would love to see it.

Even stats and numbers can be spun in one direction, my friend. An example is MT's claim of getting 430 horsies on the dyno. As we all know, you can get 10 different readings on 10 different dynos. Even facts can be interpreted subjectively. Regardless, I take nothing from what Ford has done with the 2011 GT. I'm sure it'll be an awesome car, and I welcome the resurrection of the pony wars. I just don't like it when someone hides behind the claim of a "discussion" when the truth is...they're playing the part of a fanboy through and through. BTW...love the sig, lol...never was a country fan.
Swifty

[St33lsinger]

Originally Posted by Heliwrench

When are people going to realize dynos are tuning tools more than measuring tools. 50 bucks says they could have driven that stang to another dyno on the same day and gotten piss poor numbers. Different dynos read all sorts of numbers.

We have to remember this is the same dyno they used when the GT500 read high as well. I'm tired of everyone basing numbers off this ONE 5.0 dyno. When 50 of them dyno those numbers.. ok, I'll believe it. But I bet most will not.

There's probably a few LS3's on here pumping out huge stock freak dyno numbers...We don't go and say we make more than 426 though now do we? Food for thought.

+1
Amen Brother!

[Sax1031]

I don't believe any of the presser '11 Stang numbers.

I want to see what production cars put down. The best case I could hope for the 5.0, since I am a Ford fan, is a 370-380rwhp range.

I definitely have major reservations about the 395rwhp number. Although I did read they said it took them 7 pulls to get repeatable numbers. I would like to see all of the pulls to see how much extra hp the ECU was getting out of changing the tune on the fly.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

The Mustang was underpowered compaed to the Camaro for many years and yet still beat it in sales. Nothing says the Camaro can't do the same thing.

You have to realize people who care about a 10 HP difference between cars and a few 10ths in the 1/4 (basically us) are less than 10% of the pony car buying population, the other 90% go with whichever car looks cooler to them.

Tell them again ROUGE please TELL them those numbers again.

People are failing to realize the Mustangs real money maker is from there V6 Sales so I dont get all this arguing.

[Tarl]

Do we really care who is the winner? There will always be something that is faster, regardless. 426hp here versus 412hp, 312hp versus 305hp....200lbs more here, afew less lbs there...with it that close, how many passengers you have in the car versus driver reflexes/skill is gonna determine the winner. The driver will determine the vast majority of these contests in the real world.

In controlled conditions, the Mustang power to weight is gonna take it, in looks and sexyness, the Camaro will always win.

Even with 100,000 Camaro's having been built, I still have an eye catching car and it will take years, literally years for the Camaro to even begin getting close to the numbers the Mustang has. Mustangs are on every corner. Even 40 years ago Mustangs were always more prevalent than Camaros.

[Lazerbrainz2k3]

I have to say, the longer this thread goes on, the more it resembles the much-complained-about "V6-hater" threads. Anti-Ford sentiments are not exactly uncommon here anyway, but considering some V8-ers' holier-than-thou-no-matter-what-logic-you-bring-to-the-table reaction in those threads, I can't help but be amused at the reversal - now it's the eight cylinder drivers crying foul.

I may be new to participating on this forum, but I'm not new to reading it, and as such I have to say that the "don't play up the Mustang's performance until we see production ones on the road" argument rings a bit hollow to me. I own and love a 2010 Camaro, but I don't recall much (if any!) reluctance from members here to wet themselves reading preliminary road tests of the Camaro a little over a year ago, and to take those numbers as Holy Writ. It turns out those numbers were more or less correct, which was great for us, but brand-loyalty aside, who can definitively say Ford's current numbers for the 2011 Mustang are not as accurate?

True, curb weight and horsepower are not everything when it comes to performance, but having less of the former while maintaining roughly the same of the latter is definitely a good starting point - something enough of us have used as a convincing argument when comparing the Camaro SS to the equally-powerful but heavier Challenger SRT-8! Ditto the price issue - we argued that the Camaro had better performance for less money than the Challenger and more performance for just a bit more money than the Mustang GT, but now some want to say that argument is invalid once a competitor has a lower price and more performance? Not buying it.

To borrow from some of the more patronizing posts about V6 owners, anyone who's really that bent out of shape about the potential of the Mustang usurping the Camaro's crown may not be very secure about their cars to begin with! Why not just enjoy your car? For the next few years at least, 9 out of 10 Mustangs will still be older ones anyway which 2010/2011 Camaro owners will have bragging rights over. If a member has to be a troll for making logical points which don't presuppose that Chevy and the Camaro must always rule and that Ford and the Mustang must always suck by comparison, then I guess I'm a troll, too.

And yes, I think Chevy will respond to this. I don't know (or care) which avenue that response will take, be it a smaller car, a bigger V8 or a turbo-V6, but I still believe we'll see a response in the next couple years. After which Ford will make its own next response, then Chevy again, and so on...

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Yes, I'm sure Chevy will "strike back". They have a lot more room to improve in both the 6.2L and handling. The V6 is the only area where Ford appears well above Chevy, and where Chevy may not have easy options.

I don't really care though. I've bought my car already, and it's awesome. Ford knows it too, that's why they had to improve the Mustang (you're welcome, Mustang trolls).

If I want to stay faster than whatever hits the road tomorrow, I'll add some mods. I'll get more out of performance mods with a 6.2L than most of the other cars out there, and Pedders alone put on a good show of what the current platform can do with handling mods.

[Sax1031]

Actually Chevy could easily upgrade the V6 also. The advantage the '11 Stang V6 has in handling is because you can option it with the '11 GT suspension.

After Chevy offers their "track pack" for the SS they could follow up by offering the SS suspension on the v6 as an option.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

Actually Chevy could easily upgrade the V6 also. The advantage the '11 Stang V6 has in handling is because you can option it with the '11 GT suspension.

After Chevy offers their "track pack" for the SS they could follow up by offering the SS suspension on the v6 as an option.

True. I was just looking at power seperately for each engine, but considered handling to be common between them.

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

I don't want to hear ANYONE complain they don't fit unless you are taller than this guy. 6'9" and he fits very well. Nuff said about the roomyness of the Camaro. Congrats!

Remember my Camaro doesn't have a sun roof. The sun roof kills the head room for me.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

True. I was just looking at power seperately for each engine, but considered handling to be common between them.

The power is very comparable with the Camaro being rated higher.

The big thing killing both the SS and V6 compared to the Stang is weight.