Camaro Sales -- 6,000 Sold orders 84% SS V8!

[littlecammi]

Originally Posted by themossman

If you look at supply chain, it becomes clear why they have to maintain their expected mix pretty close throughout the production cycle. It's the suppliers. If you're expecting to produce 25000 V8s, you'll need 200,000 pistons. The manufacturer of those pistons will look at the expected total and BUDGET and build to meet the defined anticipated delivery schedule. If GM required the order be 30-40% front loaded, the unit cost would be higher as the manufacturer would have additional costs during the 'artificially high' production period.

Originally Posted by camaropete

We are 4 months from the start of production. Does anyone else think that they could use the pre-order information to pass along to suppliers in order for them to meet the expected early demand?

Originally Posted by Hylton

Absolutely!

Sorry, themossman. Logical points are ignored when they are at odds with the desires of the posters here on Camaro5.

You used piston production scheduling (for the V8 engines) as an example of the problems in trying to adjust for differences in anticipated demands and actual demands of V8 Camaros versus V6 Camaros. In reality it involves so many sourced component parts and subassembles, and so many subcontractors, that it is too risky to try to change production plans. If just one major item fell short (such as the availablity of the Tremec 6060 manual 6-speed transmission, which is totally different from the 6-speed manual for the V6), then hundreds of thousands of dollars of parts accelerated for earlier Camaro SS production will lay in the warehouse costing GM money. (Or numerous dealers would be getting calls from GM asking them to check with their customers to see who will change to the automatic transmission in order to get their Camaro built, instead of waiting indefinitely for the manual trans.)

[bartking]

This thread proves 2 points. 1) The Camaro stirs lots of emotions 2) We all need to be calm.

Please don't hate me.... I'm just really happy there are a lot of folks emotional about this car.

[radz28]

I totally agree, but I think it's still important to focus on being constructive with our ideas and opinions. I have passion like many others here, and at times it's hard to bite the tongue and ask why this, or why that.

Let's all just try to be as understanding and helpful as possible. We don't want to loose any visitors that may have influence over a car that we all share such a great attachment to Please

[Inspector 17]

Originally Posted by littlecammi

Sorry, themossman. Logical points are ignored when they are at odds with the desires of the posters here on Camaro5.

You used piston production scheduling (for the V8 engines) as an example of the problems in trying to adjust for differences in anticipated demands and actual demands of V8 Camaros versus V6 Camaros. In reality it involves so many sourced component parts and subassembles, and so many subcontractors, that it is too risky to try to change production plans. If just one major item fell short (such as the availablity of the Tremec 6060 manual 6-speed transmission, which is totally different from the 6-speed manual for the V6), then hundreds of thousands of dollars of parts accelerated for earlier Camaro SS production will lay in the warehouse costing GM money. (Or numerous dealers would be getting calls from GM asking them to check with their customers to see who will change to the automatic transmission in order to get their Camaro built, instead of waiting indefinitely for the manual trans.)

Come on. Do you think this is the first time GM ever built a car? You don't think they put some penalties against their suppliers for failures to deliver major items? With all the hype and publicity, I have to believe that GM is smarter than that.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by camaropete

We are 4 months from the start of production. Does anyone else think that they could use the pre-order information to pass along to suppliers in order for them to meet the expected early demand? It would be different if ordering started in January or February, but we are talking 4 extra months of supply chain preparation here.

go read my response.

There IS NOT a problem at this point with SS.........

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

go read my response.

There IS NOT a problem at this point with SS.........

and for those that still don't get it, they can build the 5000 SS's that have been ordered without causing delays. But if there were say 50000 orders for the SS they couldn't build them all for the first round of deliveries.

[jimbo57]

as Scott said yesterday, don't sweat things yet. this preorder program DOES give GM insight into projected sales needs( powertrains, trims). i'm one of the older (in dog years) posters on this site, and as anxious as i am, we've got to let GM set the pace. patience. EVERYBODY wants this program to succeed. it's a huge undertaking. we shouldn't work ourselves into a lather too much. i think we'll be pleasantly surprised. the only people we should scrutinize is the middle man- the dealer. i spent ten years working in car dealers. some lack integrity, some lack knowledge, resulting in poor or incomplete information, sometimes gouging. quite honestly, they don't spend half as much time researching this car as we do. my best source of information has been this site. i went into order on oct 11. i was armed with option codes and vital stastistics on this car.my salesman is a close friend, up on his stuff. and he could not provide me with an ordering guide. i provided him. I was prepared. if you ordered already, you have more than a fair chance of being behind the wheel by memorial day. not too shabby, in the scheme of things. you'll be less frustrated if you use this site first, and your dealer second, for your fix. this site is the real deal. i hope eveybody's dream comes true. peace.

[gtofast]

Originally Posted by Fandango

I know this is highly unlikely I'm waiting a year for Z28 news before I go out and get my Camaro. However, is there a possiblity that the V8s will run out. In other words there is production max. I'm sure this trend will continue. Is there a chance?

I SECOND THAT ^^^^^

[Evotion]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

go read my response.

There IS NOT a problem at this point with SS.........

My new sig...

Seriously though... I chew-out my 14 year old every other day about using common-sense. I think we need to do the same thing regarding this.

I do not work for GM in any capacity. The only thing I took from the OP is that... if the orders continue on their current trend, then there may be a delay with future SS orders.

So back to my original point... Here is what my common-sense tells me.

Chevrolet recieved over 600,000 requests for information on the Camaro. Nuff said

They took pre-orders 4 months before the start of production, KNOWING that the majority of those orders would be from core enthusiasts interested in the Camaro legacy, and would most likely be SS models (as per the salespersons guide).

I am still certain after reading a miriad of posts about delays due to the economy, over-ordering, shortages etc., that those of us who ordered in the first week or two, will see our orders ON TIME (whenever that may be).

The BIG picture here is... This is GM, regardless of what you think of them as a whole, they have thousands of employees, including market researchers, and analysts, that have predicted EVERYTHING concerning the launch of this car.

And that... is all I need to know.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Evotion

My new sig...

Seriously though... I chew-out my 14 year old every other day about using common-sense. I think we need to do the same thing regarding this.

I do not work for GM in any capacity. The only thing I took from the OP is that... if the orders continue on their current trend, then there may be a delay with future SS orders.

So back to my original point... Here is what my common-sense tells me.

Chevrolet recieved over 600,000 requests for information on the Camaro. Nuff said

They took pre-orders 4 months before the start of production, KNOWING that the majority of those orders would be from core enthusiasts interested in the Camaro legacy, and would most likely be SS models (as per the salespersons guide).

I am still certain after reading a miriad of posts about delays due to the economy, over-ordering, shortages etc., that those of us who ordered in the first week or two, will see our orders ON TIME (whenever that may be).

The BIG picture here is... This is GM, regardless of what you think of them as a whole, they have thousands of employees, including market researchers, and analysts, that have predicted EVERYTHING concerning the launch of this car.

And that... is all I need to know.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Evotion

My new sig...

Seriously though... I chew-out my 14 year old every other day about using common-sense. I think we need to do the same thing regarding this.

I do not work for GM in any capacity. The only thing I took from the OP is that... if the orders continue on their current trend, then there may be a delay with future SS orders.

It is safe to say things will not continue on their current trend of over 80% SS's being ordered after all of us enthusiasts get our orders in. My best guess as to when this trend stops is the moment we all get ours and there are over 8,000 Camaro's driving around in the streets. At that point when dealers have some on their lots with huge markups for the V8 that most people can't afford...Then they start looking for the cheapest version of the Camaro which will be the V6. At that point in time, V6 sales will surpass V8 sales in a matter of months in my opinion..

[Gomerr]

fbodfather shouldnt even read this post anymore, people obviously dont listen or learn when he posts solid information...

le sigh

[Design1stCode2nd]

Well since the original thread was closed... Some ideas for GM:

I’m sure GM is thinking of these things already but I’ll through out a few ideas of things you could do to continue strong sales going down the road.

- Limited editions, a given really so I won’t go into it
- Special options packages, things like a “Bumblebee package”, Performance package with GMPP parts, handling package with suspension modifications, Recaro seats and so forth.
- Look into offering an individual program like VW, Audi and others. These are where additional trims are offered but they must be special ordered and of course cost more.

Of course we can go after market and do whatever we want but some, perhaps many like to get all of it right from the factory all in one nice monthly payment with our warranty intact.

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by franknbeans

A 401k way more important than a Camaro...

No it's not........