paint chip problems

[gone-south]

went to the dealer this week. they where very cool about the paint chip problem.but gm told them that the pie0017a was put out at a long time ago and is now discontinued. and that the chips where my fault and not covered under warranty. guess i wont be buying the z28 when it comes out and when people ask me about the camaro the first thing i tell em about is the paint issues and gm's unwillingness to admit fault. and if they're in the market for a new auto not to buy a chevy. still love my car but screw gm and all they stand for.

[L99]

I also had chips where the front wheel kicked up road debris and chipped the paint just in front of the rear tire by the louvers.
I did a color sand on the whole car to remove the factory texture and clear coated it. I have not had any chips since.

[tmac1granger33]

GM is not covering my chips.. lost my business for the rest of my life.. im 18 this is my first and last vehicle i will ever buy from them... Ill look into a challenger in a couple years... Screw them i hope they go down!

[L99]

Originally Posted by htp autoworks
Its not GM guys. I am not a GM fan... especially now that its Government Motors but I am a clear bra installer and I hear the same complaing in EVERY forum I go to. It doesnt matter wether its the Mustang, BMW, Corvette, Viper, Ferrari, or 6Speedonline.... everytone is complaining about the same issues. It is the EPA standards that have been implemented over the last few years. Even the Harley Davidson guys are bitching. GM is not going to repaint cars because their hands are tied. This will be something that we will all have to deal with from now on... and it will only get worse. I think the worst part of all of this is its OUR TAX DOLLARS that are paying for these morons at the EPA to regualte OUR LIVES. In the end it all only costs us more money... and if they push Cap And Trade through... we will all be hurting. Not to promote the product but getting a clear bra is really your only solution... or a bra period. Unless you want to repaint your car often... and replace headlights.

Not BS, The EPA is creating big problems with domestic makers and next year will be worse. Canada is no exception. Theres no stopping them.
Regulators in Canada and especially the US. are making it economically next to impossible to manufacture any products.
Excuse me for rant.

China's stronghold just keeps getting stronger.

[Hicompression]

Originally Posted by tmac1granger33

GM is not covering my chips.. lost my business for the rest of my life.. im 18 this is my first and last vehicle i will ever buy from them... Ill look into a challenger in a couple years... Screw them i hope they go down!

Good news! GM paid off their government loans early. Looks like they ain't going anywhere!

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

I doubt the EPA has any jurisdiction in canada where the car was built. i suspect GM used less materials to save money

Wrong, if a product is produced for sell in the US it has to meet the EPA standards. If what you said where true then GM would have to follow any of the other EPA regulations regarding the production and performance of the car. Things like emissions standards for example wouldn't apply, and they definitely do.

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by tmac1granger33

GM is not covering my chips.. lost my business for the rest of my life.. im 18 this is my first and last vehicle i will ever buy from them... Ill look into a challenger in a couple years... Screw them i hope they go down!

Good luck, cause I'm pretty sure you'll have the same problem with the paint if you buy a car from any auto dealer. Its the type of paint not the dealer. I know they could apply it a little thicker but that's not going to happen. Oh and Chrysler, there still not doing to good last time i checked.

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

Wrong, if a product is produced for sell in the US it has to meet the EPA standards. If what you said where true then GM would have to follow any of the other EPA regulations regarding the production and performance of the car. Things like emissions standards for example wouldn't apply, and they definitely do.

wrong. epa standards only have to do with function and performance when a product is used in the states. if your scenario were true then china could not sell any of their products in the US. emissions standards are a totally different thing because they involve a vehicle operating in the us after manufacture

[gone-south]

its all about the enviroment....so instead of getting laquer fumes in the air our cars will be heaps of rust and plastic in land fills in ten or twenty years instead of being around for 50 years or so.....makes sense right.....maybe we should buy hybrids and electric cars with their toxic batteries that will be around for hundreds of years.......people are so stupid......

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

wrong. epa standards only have to do with functiuon and performance when a product is used in the states. if your scenario were true then china could not sell any of their products in the US. emissions standards are a totally different thing because they involve a vehicle operating in the us after manufacture

Ok, my mistake. I always thought they had there hands in everything.

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by gone-south

its all about the enviroment....so instead of getting laquer fumes in the air our cars will be heaps of rust and plastic in land fills in ten or twenty years instead of being around for 50 years or so.....makes sense right.....maybe we should buy hybrids and electric cars with their toxic batteries that will be around for hundreds of years.......people are so stupid......

Yeah, I was surprised by the lack of rust proofing under the car. Everything just covered with a thin coat of paint.

[OSearcy4]

In my own option, this car has been very very poorly built, with exception to the motor and performance side. Its like they put a rocket on a soap box and just made sure the wheels wouldn't fall off before the warranty is up.

[BICHN CAMARO]

Originally Posted by OSearcy4

I did the same thing. Have you taken it in yet? Cuz they aren't gonna warranty it. Paint is covered for 12,000 miles or 1 year however they dont cover anything. I took mine in about a week ago with 3500 miles on it and they said rock chips are "natural causes" bull. The paint is too thin and clear coat is too thin if there even is a clear coat. They tried to blame it on the possibilty i drove through bad conditions, yea first thing i did when i bought it was go do doughnuts in a gravel parking lot haha not. check out the pic. Its like this on both sides and the front bumper.

How do you know if the paint is too thin? How many mils of paint are on your car? I have a mil tester and am currently collecting data which I will post as a new thread when done. ( I also paint cars for a living)

[OSearcy4]

Originally Posted by BICHN CAMARO

How do you know if the paint is too thin? How many mils of paint are on your car? I have a mil tester and am currently collecting data which I will post as a new thread when done. ( I also paint cars for a living)

I dont know for scientific fact that it is too thin, however i know i have owned 5 cars and this is the first brand new car. The other four much older, newest a 2000 model. None of them have chips "like these" anywhere. Some do have chips yes from age, but they look different. These look like someone just quickly pressed the trigger on a sand blaster about 6 inches away. Most are really tiny looks like dimples, and the really visible ones well you can see in the pic. And the undercoat or material whatever is showing being white makes it really visible.

I dont have a mil tester but I have eyes lol no sarcasm intended. You look at the chips on the new car vs the chips on the old car and you can see an obvious difference in thickness.

I compare it best with window tint... You tint a window with one layer, then poke it will something sharp, goes through easy. Tint that window again 2 more times you poke it again but now you don't see light come through as easy. Same concept with paint and clear coat right??

I hope you can find something more substantial with your mil tester, because I would like to have my car tested, just overall very disappointed. Bottom line the car was $38000. It should have gotten a better paint job.