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Black GT · 05-04-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

car and driver and i think edmunds had the ss quicker than the new gt as long as its a manual. I personaly think they just about maxed the new gt motor out which means mod for mod the LS3 will always be faster. If you are a auto like me your going to need bolt ons that affect warranty like LT headers, tune, full exhaust, intake and such. If you are a manual I think its a drivers race but a good cai couldnt hurt and i think thats the only mod that doesnt for sure affect the warranty. Everyone thought the new gt was going to eat the SS's lunch but we are now learning that is far from true.

These new engines are far from being maxed out, Evolution Performance gained right at 40 RWHP with O/R X-pipe catback exhaust K&N drop in filter and tune.

sspaul · 05-04-2010, 02:31 PM

cai, headers, catback, underdrive and a tune should do the trick.

Sully · 05-04-2010, 02:37 PM

if your on your 3rd tranny i do believe that qualifies for the lemon law, you should get a new car (i think)

ULTRAZLS1 · 05-04-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Black GT

These new engines are far from being maxed out, Evolution Performance gained right at 40 RWHP with O/R X-pipe catback exhaust K&N drop in filter and tune.

It was 37hp. But yeah solid gain. And yes you have to be weary when the company has stake in the tests. Not much left to do. The stock CAI is all ready a performance design....the stock manifolds are almost as good as headers. Probably be about 415whp with headers. 10-20hp behind a similar modded LS3 when in comparison they dyno roughly the same when stock. Then hold your breath when both cars add cam/cams.

To the OP...you need NOTHING to be quicker than the mustang. The best thing you could do is go out and practice launching/shifting. Anything that you are going to be able to do without voiding your warranty will not make up for bad driving.

Also...if you want a guaranteed win...do a 70mph roll race to 130 or so (on closed course obviously). Last comparison I seen had the camaro almost TWO SECONDS ahead in a race to 130....a serious spanking

motorhead · 05-04-2010, 03:40 PM

Why is everyone worried about beating fords mid level mustang with their top level camaro.
It's the gt500 that I want to beat in my camaro not the gt. I can already do that.

toehead93 · 05-04-2010, 03:48 PM

From what I saw in Motortrend they got the Mustang to run 4.3 0-60, 12.8 1/4 mile. The SS they claimed in the same article ran 4.5 0-60 and 12.9 1/4 mile. So the Mustang has an ever so slight edge. One thing to consider is they were not run on the same day with the same weather conditions, they are within 15hp of each other, but the Mustang weighs almost 300lbs less. So based on the math and similar gearing the times Motortrend ran seem pretty realistic. So drivers being equal you can catch up with a CAI only.

Also, note that the Mustang does not have typical manifolds, they have a custom type of shorty headers. So if you add shorty headers to the SS you will get the same performace and have the exact same mods as a Mustnag...so you can argue apples to apples they are dead even. This would leave the Mustangs only advantage to its weight.

trudawg660 · 05-04-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

Why is everyone worried about beating fords mid level mustang with their top level camaro.
It's the gt500 that I want to beat in my camaro not the gt. I can already do that.

the gt500 and the camaro ss isn't on the same playing field. even though the numbers are not that far apart. it should be gt500 and z28

Unfair · 05-04-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by trudawg660

the gt500 and the camaro ss isn't on the same playing field. even though the numbers are not that far apart. it should be gt500 and z28

GT500 top mustang.
SS top camaro.

top vs top sounds cool to me, there is no Z28 at this time to compare. no matter the price different the GT is the mid level mustang offered, and the SS is the top level camaro offered, there is no way to dispute that as a fact.

anywho... you will probably want a nice cold air system with a nice tune to give you some pep, btw why are you basing/modding/changing your car on what another car can do, that doesn't show love for your car as is :(

I enjoy my car I don't make it live in the shadow of the new camaro because it's faster.

motorhead · 05-04-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by trudawg660

the gt500 and the camaro ss isn't on the same playing field. even though the numbers are not that far apart. it should be gt500 and z28

Same playing field to me. They are both mustangs(meaning the GT and the GT500). I don't know why everyone keeps saying that. And don't say cost because everyone uses the srt8 to compare to the camaro and it cost about 10grand more than the SS. the zr1 beats cars that cost three and four times what it cost but yet its compaired to them all the time. All I'm saying is for me it means nothing to beat a GT mustang because it's not the top model. I'm modding my camaro in hopes to beat most GT500's. Then again my buddy is a ford nut and he aways throws up the GT500 to me so I have something to prove.

trudawg660 · 05-04-2010, 04:54 PM

its because the gt500 has a forced induction system sitting on top of it. just like the z28 will more than likely have. u cant compare a FI engine to a NA engine

motorhead · 05-04-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by trudawg660

its because the gt500 has a forced induction system sitting on top of it. just like the z28 will more than likely have. u cant compare a FI engine to a NA engine

So what your saying is a 3.8 supercharged grand prix can't be compaired to a camaro because it has a supercharger. That arugement makes no sense to me. Chevy was not limited to what they could build ,but they chose to build the camaro to match up to the middle of the road mustang. I don't want a camaro that can only beat the middle of the road. I want one that can beat fords top dog.

SGOS252382 · 05-04-2010, 05:24 PM

Driver skill is all you need to beat a Mustang GT (Stock vs stock).

If you want a little more help (long tube headers with high flow cats and an intake). That will give you another 30hp or so. If you still can't beat a stock Mustang GT, you need more practice driving your car.

Sully · 05-04-2010, 05:27 PM

is everyone really overlooking the fact that its his 3rd transmission? can you say lemon law? or am i wrong here?

mmbarberoilman · 05-04-2010, 06:01 PM

There will always be someone faster than you in the next lane. Build your car to make YOU happy.

05-04-2010, 02:31 PM	#16
sspaul Drives: 2010 ss camaro, imperial blue Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: new orleans Posts: 939	cai, headers, catback, underdrive and a tune should do the trick. __________________ my youtube my facebook www.myspace.com/1djchampagne www.twitter.com/1djchampagne mods: borla long tube headers, borla atak catback, lingenfelter gt-9 cam, ported heads, ecs base kit running 11 psi on top end, 1" bmr drop spring, aam 3.70 gears, ported throttle body, 160* thermorstat, lethal racing tune 750/641 rwhp/rwtq

05-04-2010, 03:48 PM	#20
toehead93 Drives: 2014 2SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: wpb fl Posts: 3,135 View My Garage	From what I saw in Motortrend they got the Mustang to run 4.3 0-60, 12.8 1/4 mile. The SS they claimed in the same article ran 4.5 0-60 and 12.9 1/4 mile. So the Mustang has an ever so slight edge. One thing to consider is they were not run on the same day with the same weather conditions, they are within 15hp of each other, but the Mustang weighs almost 300lbs less. So based on the math and similar gearing the times Motortrend ran seem pretty realistic. So drivers being equal you can catch up with a CAI only. Also, note that the Mustang does not have typical manifolds, they have a custom type of shorty headers. So if you add shorty headers to the SS you will get the same performace and have the exact same mods as a Mustnag...so you can argue apples to apples they are dead even. This would leave the Mustangs only advantage to its weight. __________________ Used Racing Brake 2 Peice Rotors for sale: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344754 Summit White 2014 2SS 1LE Recaros, NPP exhaust, Nav 2010 2SS A6 - sold.

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05-04-2010, 02:37 PM	#17
Sully Drives: Orange 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Southside Chicago Posts: 171	if your on your 3rd tranny i do believe that qualifies for the lemon law, you should get a new car (i think)

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05-04-2010, 04:54 PM	#24
trudawg660 Drives: 2006 Dodge Charger / 2SS IOM Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,640	its because the gt500 has a forced induction system sitting on top of it. just like the z28 will more than likely have. u cant compare a FI engine to a NA engine

05-04-2010, 05:24 PM	#26
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05-04-2010, 05:27 PM	#27
Sully Drives: Orange 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Southside Chicago Posts: 171	is everyone really overlooking the fact that its his 3rd transmission? can you say lemon law? or am i wrong here?

05-04-2010, 06:01 PM	#28
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