Opinions on Redline Oil

[jehartley]

Originally Posted by FastOil

high quality synthetics mean, less friction = less heat, also reliability is increased motor will last longer,,, ther is plenty data to back this up.

Amsoil Troll.

[jehartley]

Originally Posted by FastOil

the reality is when you compare data you will see the difference, you wont see it today or tomorow but years down the road,,, when you start saying dam why are my cylinders so scored, dam why are my crank,rods,and main bearing wearing out more than the people using good synthetics.

then you will realize,, but then would be a little late.


for example its so funny and bizare on how royal purple claims to have a top notch synthetic media that cost 12 buck + and that filters 20 microns,,, dam even a 5 dollar synthetic media WIX filter is capable of better than that AMSOIL's EA filters are rated at 10 microns ,,, a BIG significant difference.

Amsoil Troll.

[jehartley]

Originally Posted by ron10

as long as it meets GM specs,you won't have a problem.

Ding, Ding, Ding...we have a winner!

[FastOil]

Originally Posted by jehartley

Amsoil Troll.

yeah! you have a lot to bring to the table

i bring data to the this community, and you just bring your smart comments.


move on mr !

[jehartley]

Originally Posted by FastOil

yeah! you have a lot to bring to the table

i bring data to the this community, and you just bring your smart comments.


move on mr !

Right. You and mmbarberoilman do nothing but troll around the Amsoil flag, which is a great oil, but guys like you two help to foster a bad reputation.

What data do you bring? That BS Four ball test? Real data, UOA's, is all that counts, and UOA's consistently show good performance from Amsoil; not great, nor anywhere near what they advertise. The best oil Amsoil makes is its XL line, which consistently posts great UOA's, and it's the ONLY oil Amsoil makes that meets ALL warranty requirements set forth by the owners manual.

[FastOil]

Originally Posted by jehartley

Right. You and mmbarberoilman do nothing but troll around the Amsoil flag, which is a great oil, but guys like you two help to foster a bad reputation.

What data do you bring? That BS Four ball test? Real data, UOA's, is all that counts, and UOA's consistently show good performance from Amsoil; not great, nor anywhere near what they advertise. The best oil Amsoil makes is its XL line, which consistently posts great UOA's, and it's the ONLY oil Amsoil makes that meets ALL warranty requirements set forth by the owners manual.

WOw wow wow ! you have no clue what you are talking about over there.

XL is not even close to the best oil we have,, you are 10 yrs behind the curve,,, sorry to break the news to you but SSO is our top of the line being used in many time attack cars, ASL is meant for turbo charged cars i prolly have over 200 customers using it, FYI ASL is the parent of XL 5w30, with a TBN of 14 plus giving the customer a 35K interval yep your heard right 35,000 miles this has been proved over and over with oil analysis.


please dont spread missinformation through this community, the information your are spreading is missleading and its only false and confusing. we have been doing this for to long to not understand our own products.

[jehartley]

Originally Posted by FastOil

XL is not even close to the best oil we have

According to UOA's it is indeed your best performing oil.

sorry to break the news to you but SSO is our top of the line

You have bought your own hype.

ASL is meant for turbo charged cars i prolly have over 200 customers using it, FYI ASL is the parent of XL 5w30, with a TBN of 14 plus giving the customer a 35K interval yep your heard right 35,000 miles this has been proved over and over with oil analysis.

First, ASL is not meant for turbo charged cars...are you sure you are an Amsoil dealer? My gosh.

Second, ASL does not have a TBN of 14...again, are you sure you are an Amsoil dealer, because you sure don't seem to know much about your product.

Third, ASL is not recommended for a 35,000 mile OCI, you are flat out lying.

Fourth, UOA's consistently show that the SSO and the ASL TBN is extremely low before 15,000 miles in most cases. Look them up...the information is all over BITOG.

please dont spread missinformation through this community, the information your are spreading is missleading and its only false and confusing. we have been doing this for to long to not understand our own products.

The only false information being spread here is by you and the other Amsoil troll. You are flat out lying. I use Amsoil on my out of warranty vehicles, and I talk very highly of it to my friends, but I am realistic about it and I don't lie to them as you seem very prone to doing.

[FastOil]

^^

iam not going to go back and foward with you,, dont have the time and dont want to.

But for those wondering on what he is talking about UOA's it means Used Oil Analysis.

I clearly generalized my statements, so i will be clear ASL normal driving 25K, SSO 0W30 which is also reccomended for the Camaro can go up to 35K.

-And you are still wrong, XL TBN is at the 9 digits, SSO is at the 13.2, ATM is at the 12.2,,, so you tell us which oil has the capacity to wistand the most,,, well the numbers speak for themselves SSO with a TBN "total base number" of 13.2
- The old ATM 10W30 usto be targeted at the turbocharged vehicle guys it was labeled that way,, the new revampped ATM 10W30 clearly says on its label " AMSOIL 10W30 synthetic motor oil was designed to withstand the sever conditions created by turbocharged engines " i sell hundreds of quarts to the Evo community some of these guys running 500WHP on meth/water injected and or Ethanol E-85 running over 30 lbs of boost.

you clearly are getting your facts from the internet, you seem to be basing your facts from UOA'a solely, and judging by you comments they are from very old UOA's not current.

on contrary we are getting our facts directly from AMSOIL, sitting in meetings with the technical department that spends millions in testing and searching to better the product, and from the field where many race vehicle customer of ours gives us feed back on the products and where they thrive and where to improve.

[jehartley]

Originally Posted by FastOil

I clearly generalized my statements

No, you lied and I called you on it.

so i will be clear ASL normal driving 25K, SSO 0W30 which is also reccomended for the Camaro can go up to 35K.

Again, you are misleading people, by not putting all of the information out there. ASL norming service driving at 25,000 miles is not what most people drive...most people fall into the severe service catagory which is a shorter amount of miles. In addition, Amsoil has a great OCI guide http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf that tells the whole story...it doesn't cherry pick the maximum portions and advertise them as the foundation of the OCI like you and your ilk do.

-And you are still wrong, XL TBN is at the 9 digits, SSO is at the 13.2, ATM is at the 12.2,,, so you tell us which oil has the capacity to wistand the most,,,

I am not wrong...I never said what the TBN of the XL was...again, you are lying. You are the one who lied and claimed that the ASL has a TBN of 14 when it only has a TBN of 12.2. In addition, if you think TBN is the only thing or most important thing about an oils's ability to last, then you don't know jack about oil.

well the numbers speak for themselves SSO with a TBN "total base number" of 13.2

Again, if you want to be an idiot and base oil longevity off of TBN, then your groupIV SSO get's its ass handed to it by a groupIII known as Pennzoil Ultra...it has a TBN of 13.

The old ATM 10W30 usto be targeted at the turbocharged vehicle guys it was labeled that way,, the new revampped ATM 10W30 clearly says on its label " AMSOIL 10W30 synthetic motor oil was designed to withstand the sever conditions created by turbocharged engines "

I am well aware of this, but you claimed the ASL was designed for this. You lied.

you clearly are getting your facts from the internet

How exactly is that clear? I have obtained and continue to obtain my information from various sources...my own experience, scientific lab analysis, and the information provided by Amsoil from their own Internet website. So, stop the BS of trying to discredit me because your lies are being exposed.

you seem to be basing your facts from UOA'a solely

Nope, see the above comment.

and judging by you comments they are from very old UOA's not current.

Nope, they are very recent UOA's. Try again.

on contrary we are getting our facts directly from AMSOIL, sitting in meetings with the technical department that spends millions in testing and searching to better the product, and from the field where many race vehicle customer of ours gives us feed back on the products and where they thrive and where to improve.

Obviously, you aren't since the majority of your information is wrong. So which is it? Do you not know what you are talking about, or do you know, but continue to lie?

[Rookie13]

geesh! on the first page...

[FastOil]

ok

Originally Posted by jehartley

No, you lied and I called you on it.



Again, you are misleading people, by not putting all of the information out there. ASL norming service driving at 25,000 miles is not what most people drive...most people fall into the severe service catagory which is a shorter amount of miles. In addition, Amsoil has a great OCI guide http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf that tells the whole story...it doesn't cherry pick the maximum portions and advertise them as the foundation of the OCI like you and your ilk do.



I am not wrong...I never said what the TBN of the XL was...again, you are lying. You are the one who lied and claimed that the ASL has a TBN of 14 when it only has a TBN of 12.2. In addition, if you think TBN is the only thing or most important thing about an oils's ability to last, then you don't know jack about oil.



Again, if you want to be an idiot and base oil longevity off of TBN, then your groupIV SSO get's its ass handed to it by a groupIII known as Pennzoil Ultra...it has a TBN of 13.



I am well aware of this, but you claimed the ASL was designed for this. You lied.



How exactly is that clear? I have obtained and continue to obtain my information from various sources...my own experience, scientific lab analysis, and the information provided by Amsoil from their own Internet website. So, stop the BS of trying to discredit me because your lies are being exposed.



Nope, see the above comment.



Nope, they are very recent UOA's. Try again.



Obviously, you aren't since the majority of your information is wrong. So which is it? Do you not know what you are talking about, or do you know, but continue to lie?

[Merc]

[FalconFXR]

I have been spending my Sunday morning going over this Forum to try to find genuine data/trends to help me make a decision about Rear, Tran, and Engine lubricants and so far I keep seeing the same names popping up and it degenerating into flamewars. I am new to owning a Camaro and to Camaro5 forums but Ugh....Just Ugh! I