BC Racing Coilovers 2010 Camaro | Ultimate Performance

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Yes you will scrape going over bump's and step driveways.

[PfadtRacing]

Originally Posted by Doc

Pfadt makes full-out racing stuff and the price reflects that...

This is not accurate whatsoever. We have built our reputation for supplying premium products based on our knowledge in race engineering, and racing ourselves. We race and test on the track, so your Camaro is a winner on the street. We just set a lap record at Brainerd, MN with our suspension on the Carriage House Customs car. These Coilovers are the same coilovers that you will see on the street, and were featured on our street development Camaro that saw over 1.3gs at Miller Motorsport Park, and have VERY street-specific ride characteristics.

I've added some info below in regards to the features of the Pfadt coilovers and why they are a bit more expensive as a result. These are not full-on racing dampers that we sell for the street, they are street dampers with premium racing features so you car race them on the track, and see the ultimate in performance. We don't have any gimmicks in our features, this is all engineering.

The main features of our Pfadt Coilovers:

*Inverted monotube design in on the front strut. This provides that really large shaft section that you see with our front coilover. That is important because the front strut takes cornering loads in these cars and the stiffer the tube, the better. We are the only ones with inverted dampers. This has the effect of placing the adjuster knob on the bottom of the strut for easy access. It is a click style adjuster with 20 clicks that are very positive and easy to feel. It is a simple matter of reaching around the front tire and making a couple of twists to change your damping. There are no unnecessary adjustment levels. More clicks does not mean more dampening.

*Inverted body design on the rear damper. This reduces unsprung mass (a good thing) and also places the adjuster at the bottom of the damper where you can reach it. It is also a click style adjuster wrapped around the shaft section just below the spring perch.

*Our dampers in both the front and rear feature single point adjust-ability which controls both compression and rebound damping together. This is a design that we have found to be very flexible and user friendly in our Corvette offerings. Basically, you do not need to be a damper engineer to be comfortable making adjustments and it is easy to switch from a 'street' setup to a 'track' setup with just a few clicks.

*Our dampers are mono-tube design and feature a separate internal gas chamber, which in the industry is referred to as 'non-emulsion' design. Mono-tube non-emulsion shocks are what you find on most every production based race car everywhere. It is the best design and provides the most consistent and reliable operation. Many of the other offerings for the Camaro are not, ask the manufacturer if you are curious.

*Our coilovers take a 'standard' flat ground race spring, in the front AND rear of the car. Many others use a custom spring to fit the Camaro specifically. Using a standard spring size allows extreme flexibility in spring rate choice. You can call up any race supplier and order springs in 25 lb/in increments that will work on our coilovers. We provide a set with our coilovers that will work well for most people, but the flexibility is there for those who want it. Again, this is unique to the Pfadt Coilovers.

*Our Coilovers work with our Pfadt camber/caster plates. Adjust front camber and caster easily, quickly, and in a repeatable fashion. These are good for well over an extra degree of negative camber (relative to the OEM adjustment). These are available separately, for the OEM strut, or our coilovers.

*Our Rear Coilovers address the misalignment of the shock and spring during bump and rebound by locating both on the same axis that articulates in our upper mount. We are the only manufacture that does this, most just use a custom wound spring that seats on the chassis like the OEM spring. Those units do not address or solve the problem whatsoever. We address the problem up front with our Pfadt Camber/Caster plates.

*Our coilover design has been the result of extensive testing, and engineering analysis. We have these capabilities in-house, and exploit this at every opportunity. Our company has expertise built on OE engineering, and actual motorsport experience. We have two recent videos showing this. These coilovers were on the vehicle that recently pulled over 1.3gs on the OEM wheels/tires!

Another benefit of our company is that we are here to talk to you. If you want to speak with one of our engineers, just give us a call. We pride ourselves on customer interaction. I hope the points outlined above give you a good idea of what our company is all about. Please get in touch with us if you need any further info, we appreciate it. Thanks!

[mikepage0007]

hey mods , , i believe this post says bc coilovers, yet it has turned into a tech ad for every other coilover and not really said about bc...anyone got some input on bc beside they cost 1/3 of pfadt..

[PfadtRacing]

Originally Posted by mikepage0007

hey mods , , i believe this post says bc coilovers, yet it has turned into a tech ad for every other coilover and not really said about bc...anyone got some input on bc beside they cost 1/3 of pfadt..

mikepage0007, our products were specifically referenced in this thread. We posted the features of ours, to correct some information, and provide a basis on which to judge the features of other coilovers, like the BCs. This way, if information surfaces about the BCs in this thread, it can be directly compared to accurate information about the Pfadt units, just like the OP was asking about.

[mikepage0007]

well, i was not singling out your product , but i also have seen the whipple forum get into a pissing match with kb and vice versa...every topic is going to have another brand referenced at 1 point or another...you have a great product , unforunately most can,t afford the creme de le ...thats why there driving camaros......some can live with decent coilovers for normal driving and occasional track run...i,m sure 80% don,t even have them set to its full potential..as most aren,t well trained in this field...so all i,m saying , for example if you went to a maggie topic thread and someone mentioned kb , whipple ,vortech,harrop, the thread would be taken over by each vendor making points and showing dyno sheets , saying how each one was better...that was not the point of the post...this post was pertaining BC Racing Coilovers 2010 Camaro | Ultimate Performance ... i actually am back and forth between your brand and another which i won,t say..but taking nothing away from bc...if they have a good product they need to show it and prove it.. for 1/3rd the cash , alot of people want to know if there anygood..i know they make coilovers under another name..just my 2 cents..

[Coop]

Again I have the BC coilovers just havent installed them due to lack of knowledge on how to install and setup. And no there is not a good performance shop to do the work near me (besides a 3 hour drive to Dallas). I agree with the above that I bought these because not everyone is rich and can afford the Pfadt or Pedders coilovers. IMO they have almost priced themselves out of the market. My suggestion wold be to offer an inexpensive capability so others may enjoy these 2 companies products.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by PfadtRacing

This is not accurate whatsoever. We have built our reputation for supplying premium products based on our knowledge in race engineering, and racing ourselves. We race and test on the track, so your Camaro is a winner on the street. We just set a lap record at Brainerd, MN with our suspension on the Carriage House Customs car. These Coilovers are the same coilovers that you will see on the street, and were featured on our street development Camaro that saw over 1.3gs at Miller Motorsport Park, and have VERY street-specific ride characteristics.

I've added some info below in regards to the features of the Pfadt coilovers and why they are a bit more expensive as a result. These are not full-on racing dampers that we sell for the street, they are street dampers with premium racing features so you car race them on the track, and see the ultimate in performance. We don't have any gimmicks in our features, this is all engineering.

The main features of our Pfadt Coilovers:

*Inverted monotube design in on the front strut. This provides that really large shaft section that you see with our front coilover. That is important because the front strut takes cornering loads in these cars and the stiffer the tube, the better. We are the only ones with inverted dampers. This has the effect of placing the adjuster knob on the bottom of the strut for easy access. It is a click style adjuster with 20 clicks that are very positive and easy to feel. It is a simple matter of reaching around the front tire and making a couple of twists to change your damping. There are no unnecessary adjustment levels. More clicks does not mean more dampening.

*Inverted body design on the rear damper. This reduces unsprung mass (a good thing) and also places the adjuster at the bottom of the damper where you can reach it. It is also a click style adjuster wrapped around the shaft section just below the spring perch.

*Our dampers in both the front and rear feature single point adjust-ability which controls both compression and rebound damping together. This is a design that we have found to be very flexible and user friendly in our Corvette offerings. Basically, you do not need to be a damper engineer to be comfortable making adjustments and it is easy to switch from a 'street' setup to a 'track' setup with just a few clicks.

*Our dampers are mono-tube design and feature a separate internal gas chamber, which in the industry is referred to as 'non-emulsion' design. Mono-tube non-emulsion shocks are what you find on most every production based race car everywhere. It is the best design and provides the most consistent and reliable operation. Many of the other offerings for the Camaro are not, ask the manufacturer if you are curious.

*Our coilovers take a 'standard' flat ground race spring, in the front AND rear of the car. Many others use a custom spring to fit the Camaro specifically. Using a standard spring size allows extreme flexibility in spring rate choice. You can call up any race supplier and order springs in 25 lb/in increments that will work on our coilovers. We provide a set with our coilovers that will work well for most people, but the flexibility is there for those who want it. Again, this is unique to the Pfadt Coilovers.

*Our Coilovers work with our Pfadt camber/caster plates. Adjust front camber and caster easily, quickly, and in a repeatable fashion. These are good for well over an extra degree of negative camber (relative to the OEM adjustment). These are available separately, for the OEM strut, or our coilovers.

*Our Rear Coilovers address the misalignment of the shock and spring during bump and rebound by locating both on the same axis that articulates in our upper mount. We are the only manufacture that does this, most just use a custom wound spring that seats on the chassis like the OEM spring. Those units do not address or solve the problem whatsoever. We address the problem up front with our Pfadt Camber/Caster plates.

*Our coilover design has been the result of extensive testing, and engineering analysis. We have these capabilities in-house, and exploit this at every opportunity. Our company has expertise built on OE engineering, and actual motorsport experience. We have two recent videos showing this. These coilovers were on the vehicle that recently pulled over 1.3gs on the OEM wheels/tires!

Another benefit of our company is that we are here to talk to you. If you want to speak with one of our engineers, just give us a call. We pride ourselves on customer interaction. I hope the points outlined above give you a good idea of what our company is all about. Please get in touch with us if you need any further info, we appreciate it. Thanks!

I respectfully disagree. My comment was not a bash or criticism of your company or products in any way. And it IS accurate because you guys ARE racers and your stuff is engineered, designed and built for competitive racing. And for everything I've looked at that you make, your products being built to that higher standard (competitive racing) are higher priced than normal "street" mods from other companies. That's not a criticism, it's perfectly logical, understandable, and what I'd expect from race-grade stuff.

The demands and stresses on components that have to hold up for an entire race, race after race, are much higher and require much higher standard components to be successful. That isn't cheap, nor would I expect it to be. You get what you pay for. Your stuff is top notch and fully capable of being used in race winning cars. Your stuff is also generally beautiful to look at because form follows function and you have great designers. But it's expensive for people buying $30k cars.

People who drive on the street with an occasional 1/4 mile at the track, or maybe an autocross or HPDE once in awhile don't really need full-out race capable stuff. And unless they just have lots of money and don't mind spending it, there are other solutions available at less (sometimes much less) cost that will give them what they want and work just fine for them.

Not everything you make is out of a reasonable street budget; I'm actually seriously considering your sways and end-links. And by reasonable I mean within a moderate street performance person's budget. I'd love to have your 1-piece carbon fiber driveshaft but it's double the cost of all the others I'm looking at. I know if I had yours my car could survive the 24 hours of LeMans, but I'm not in that league nor am I going to be. It's just silly for me to spend $2,000 for your driveshaft, not because it's bad; it's a great product, but because it's basically overkill for what I'm looking for and need.

I have nothing but respect (and often admiration for the way some of your stuff looks) for you and your products; your reputation is first class and deservedly so. But we're modifying $30k cars, not $60k-$100k and our budgets are not the same as guys with Vettes who race.

Since the 2010+ Camaro market is obviously a huge success and continuing to grow at a solid pace, you guys might consider creating a 'mainly street with part-time racing' line or versions of your stuff that wouldn't necessarily be the best choice for a full-time or very serious racer, but would work just fine for street and be priced accordingly so more people could afford it. I don't know how you'd do that but it's a thought. Pfadt Street, and Pfadt Race for example with Pfadt Street being race capable for the occasional racer but anybody going serious should upgrade to Pfadt Race. Just as an idea for you guys. If you had a Pfadt Street 1-piece carbon fiber driveshaft for $1k I'd buy it right now and I'd guess I'm not the only one who would.

[mikepage0007]

doc, great points, i totally agree,,most people can,t spend 5k on coilovers, sways , end links...done a ton of google on bc and megan @ 900 a set ... but unforunately not much reviews negative or positive on them...so as much as i like the pfadt , i can spend 800 less and get the pedders or variant coilovers and use the 800 for sways and other { which i believe for my personal driving use , i would be satisfied...} just my opinion.. but i am still interested to see some bc posts...coop, drive 3 hrs and have it done. you want it done right . nothing worse than having your suspension not set up properly...btw , was @ my performance shop thet did my kb and they were setting up some pfadts that a novice decided to install .. car drove like crap, due to his settings{ he did not understand how to adjust during install,} nothing wrong with pfadt. my mechanic said that i have to get pfadt bushings , as they are the shit.. i have NEVER heard a negative thing about pfadt, they are #1 , but sometimes you have to settle for ground sirloin instead of filet migon...

[AutoAgenda]

PFADT are the of the highest quality, but numbers are all in-house with no independent verification. Obviously of superior performance, but there are also comparable coilovers with a more justified price. We offer BC Racing Coilovers which are rebranded by many, and we have never heard a negative review. They have been making them for the domestic and import market for quite some time.

[mws444]

Pfadt is top knotch. Pedders is top Knotch. Both companies produce top rated products with proven track records. Pfadt parts are very strong built for hard use and long life. Take their sway adjustable links they make the stock units look almost cheesy in comparison. While they perform very well in racing they are also very well behaved on the street. Are they overkill? Maybe, but so is a blower on a daily driver. If you like thier stuff and can afford it go for it, you wont be sorry.
The new remote resevoir Coilovers from Pedders are probably at the top of the coilover game as it currently stands. Flat out no one else makes as good of a unit with that kind of adjustabilty. The XA's are also a very good coilover, and represent a very good value with adjustability to go from the track to a nice street machine with a few clicks.
There are a lot of brand X coilovers out there, if they suit your needs and budget try them, but down the road how will they last and perform? Who knows?
My motto has always been if you cant afford to do it right the first time how will you afford to do it twice?

[BowTieDrifter]

Originally Posted by Rob@WretchedMS

+1
Ours are 30 way double adjustable (both adjusted by the same knob) and ours do not change the compression on the spring to control height, we control the length of the strut to control the height. This is the same way the coilovers are on our GTO and G8, that have been so well received on the street and the track.

this.
BC actually has the same feature, but i just dont know anything about the company's race experience, if any.notice the serious lack of participation in this thread by anyone that represents BC, either directly or retailer.


i know what i'm getting, that's all i'm gonna say.

[Rob@WretchedMS]

Different but similar.
Pedders Coilovers are not BC Coilovers, but share a basic design, however, this is where the similarities end.

If i can ever help with anything please feel free to pm, or call me.
Thanks.

[Team STILLEN]

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. Low end coil overs make noise, ride bad, and just lower a car without any engineering going into the compression or rebound of a truly tuned system to work with the weight and balance of a vehicle. And don't get me started on shock internals and their differences. Just because its a $30k car, doesn't mean it shouldn't get the best parts. We sell a ton of different coil over systems for dozens of different model vehicles but we don't sell BC or Megan. There is a reason for that. As for heavy duty parts being too harsh or expensive for the street!?!?!? Why wouldn't you want the parts that are tested to last the longest and work the best??!?!! Instead buy something that HASN'T been truly tested to the N'th degree to find its breaking points. That makes PERFECT sense!

Just my personal experience and opinion. I hope it helps. Don't forget, when the build starts on our own LS3, we have any option in the world open to us including $2500 per corner PENSKE's or Motons. We are going to run with Pfadt Racing coil overs, along with the rest of their amazing suspension!

[mws444]

Originally Posted by Team STILLEN

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. Low end coil overs make noise, ride bad, and just lower a car without any engineering going into the compression or rebound of a truly tuned system to work with the weight and balance of a vehicle. And don't get me started on shock internals and their differences. Just because its a $30k car, doesn't mean it shouldn't get the best parts. We sell a ton of different coil over systems for dozens of different model vehicles but we don't sell BC or Megan. There is a reason for that. As for heavy duty parts being too harsh or expensive for the street!?!?!? Why wouldn't you want the parts that are tested to last the longest and work the best??!?!! Instead buy something that HASN'T been truly tested to the N'th degree to find its breaking points. That makes PERFECT sense!

Just my personal experience and opinion. I hope it helps. Don't forget, when the build starts on our own LS3, we have any option in the world open to us including $2500 per corner PENSKE's or Motons. We are going to run with Pfadt Racing coil overs, along with the rest of their amazing suspension!

Now this is what I like...Cut thru the BS and tell it like it is.
Pfadt is good stuff, How do you like Pedders? I can tell you first hand the new Supercar remote resevior coilover are amazing. I would love to see a shop like yours do some side by side track testing.