OHIO CAMARO ENTHUSIASTS/OWNERS REPORT HERE

[IROCanSS]

Originally Posted by Darth_Emma

I'm going to have my wheels put on the car tomorrow at IPS.

I expect pics STAT! I have been on the edge of my seat... I am sure not as far as you though!

[MrsLT1PWRD]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

Its not just a GTO thing, the Camaro/Firebird stuff isnt posted but I have a flyer. NEOCC did a lot of leg work expanding it to F-Bodys too... we need to show our support! We will have a seperate area from the GTO group.

This is not the $400 thing... its $30 for a weekend pass. It is a day of watching some racing, hangning out at Mid-Ohio, going into the paddock... should be a good time. The $400 thing will be much more than one lap and an instructional thing. This is just a track day, mostly to watch the pros.

Thanks for trying to help this along! Hubby and I have been wanting to put together an F-Body event at Mid-Ohio for quite some time now. We go to Mid-Ohio quite often and see the Corvette Corrals for various events and thought it would be fun to do the same for Camaros (and Firebirds, too). The return of Camaro to competition in the Grand-Am Series seemed like a perfect time! We've invited members of the NEOCC and have posted this on numerous other websites, hoping we could get a good turnout and build on this and make it bigger every year. So far, we're looking at about 20-30 cars, but there's still plenty of time - hopefully we can get more!

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

pros and cons...

I'd go super before turbo but thats me. Both have ad/disadvantages. Turbos can generally produce more power but run hotter. There is also lag associated with turbos as you have to get the exhaust moving to spin the impeller. Since a supercharger is belt driven, its ready when you are. Which can also be a disadvantage when it comes to traction. You will NOT be able to jump on a maggie off the line and expect to move. The turbo car will take a few seconds to kick in and you'd better be ready when it does!

Then you can have the best of both words... a procharger. It is basically a belt driven turbo. Looks like a turbo, sounds like a turbo, acts like a turbo but does not run off the exhaust thus less heat... equal power. I have personally seen procharged cars putting well over 600hp to the tires. Maggies will get you in the 520 range with the L99. Power with either all depends on boost pressure and how long you want your stock short block to last... remember you have to pay to play...

Like I said... pros and cons and everyone will have their own favorite.

Yes heat is defiantly a disadvantage when it comes to turbos, those suckers can get hot. If its a 4 or 6 cylinder engine id say turbo, if i was a v8 then I'd suppose I'd lean more toward a supercharger. Truthfully I have been waiting anxiously for LPE's Centrifugal V6 supercharger. Oh, and I'm rebuilding my first engine, Chevy big block 350!

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by Darth_Emma

I've tried not to get too worked up over it. I am going to be glad to get them, but they've been at IPS for almost a week waiting to get the TPMS situation worked out. The adapters came in today (I paid extra to have them shipped overnight). I have my fingers crossed that these adapters resolve the issue.

I am really hoping that the car drives ok with the new wheels. After reading about PQ's problems with his Savini wheels, I'm a bit anxious about it (I know Savini will make it right with PQ, but it still makes me nervous). I'm just going to assume they'll drive great and look fab!

If the wheels get put on the car tomorrow, I will get pictures even if they're just a few quick shots in the rain.

I bet your IPS's best customer.

[SilverIceman]

Originally Posted by Darth_Emma

ok, you guys... another question...

supercharger or turbocharger?

Agree with the others, lots of pros and cons for both. Keep researching and keep in mind, as you go for the really big increases, like over 550 rwhp you'll then need to start investing in heavy duty drivetrain parts to handle that power. I see you have posted in some of the Forced Induction threads. That's great, there's a lot of information and opinions of professional installers in these threads. I knew nothing about this stuff until I got this car and started reading about it.

Keep learning, then use one of their unique features as a deciding factor.
The maggies do look awesome, especially in those see-thru hoods! If you want something different check out the Kenne Bell units, more of a retro look. Jr's right, the Procharger is nice. Saw one installed down at Craig's shop. It had a really nice fit and didn't alter the look of the engine. And they put out huge numbers. (if you don't mind the whine) The new Edelbrock system installs easily and doesn't use as much boost, protecting your engine.

As far as the turbo, keep in mind you may have to ditch your brand new headers or exhaust for one of those. But I may be wrong, there's all kinds of turbo systems out there.

If I remember, Craig at Cincy gave you a quote for an Edelbrock SC a while back and you thought it was expensive at that time. You might check that out again. These guys got 429 RWHP on an automatic w/mods and tune: Edelbrock
That's just over 500 fwhp

Or, this may be your solution: Both.......TT into a TVS

[heinzd01]

Originally Posted by jrhaus76

So far the weather for Friday looks stellar for the cruise in at Milford!

Weather is still looking good for Friday - mostly sunny, high 79.

[heinzd01]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

Oh, and I'm rebuilding my first engine, Chevy big block 350!

Good luck! Are you sure that isn't a small block 350?

[FenwickHockey65]

FRESHMAN YEAR = OVER.

[prostock69]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

FRESHMAN YEAR = OVER.

Yeah!! Congrats!

[LadyinBlue]

We're all breathing a collective sigh of relief for you, Fen! You gonna be at Milford on Friday?

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

FRESHMAN YEAR = OVER.

Congrats!

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by LadyinBlue

We're all breathing a collective sigh of relief for you, Fen! You gonna be at Milford on Friday?

I most likely will be.

[IPS Brandon]

Originally Posted by nak3dsnake

I bet your IPS's best customer.

We certainly appreciate her and all clients! I believe she has made great modifications to her car, and we have been blessed to help! Not to toot our own horn to loudly but we also have one of the best GM tuners in the Midwest, and experienced technicians in the country . (Oh and I work here )

As for the supercharger and turbo debate, this is again political but the facts are facts.

Turbo systems use exhaust gas flow and thermodynamic efficiency to produce power, they do have a small amount of spool time, however if engineered right (which 95% of people have not done their math to properly size the turbo) turbo systems will produce more power and create less stress on the motor, and it is easy to plumb the exhaust gas away from the engine so there is little to no back pressure.

Belt driven supercharger systems have their place as well, whether you talk about a magnacharger which is a positive displacement roots style blower, or a procharger, a centrifugal style blower. Now I am not really going to type up all the pros and cons here because I prefer not to debate them top much in depth on the forum due to a lot of misconceptions, however each style of supercharger system has its place for a defined purpose. I think for her the magnacharer will be the simplest and easiest solution which will be the easiest to maintain and preform a good driving experience with excellent throttle response and torque for light to light acceleration.

For fun (apples to apples), I had two C5 Z06's in at the end of last week, both we have serviced start to finish, One client has a vortech kit (centrifugal kit) with kooks long tubes, and the other has a kenne bell kit (roots blower) and kooks long tubes. Tell me which one is which, and who would win in a drag race (I am sure this will stir up some fun )



Regards

[nak3dsnake]

Originally Posted by IPS Brandon

We certainly appreciate her and all clients! I believe she has made great modifications to her car, and we have been blessed to help! Not to toot our own horn to loudly but we also have one of the best GM tuners in the Midwest, and experienced technicians in the country . (Oh and I work here )

As for the supercharger and turbo debate, this is again political but the facts are facts.

Turbo systems use exhaust gas flow and thermodynamic efficiency to produce power, they do have a small amount of spool time, however if engineered right (which 95% of people have not done their math to properly size the turbo) turbo systems will produce more power and create less stress on the motor, and it is easy to plumb the exhaust gas away from the engine so there is little to no back pressure.

Belt driven supercharger systems have their place as well, whether you talk about a magnacharger which is a positive displacement roots style blower, or a procharger, a centrifugal style blower. Now I am not really going to type up all the pros and cons here because I prefer not to debate them top much in depth on the forum due to a lot of misconceptions, however each style of supercharger system has its place for a defined purpose. I think for her the magnacharer will be the simplest and easiest solution which will be the easiest to maintain and preform a good driving experience with excellent throttle response and torque for light to light acceleration.

For fun (apples to apples), I had two C5 Z06's in at the end of last week, both we have serviced start to finish, One client has a vortech kit (centrifugal kit) with kooks long tubes, and the other has a kenne bell kit (roots blower) and kooks long tubes. Tell me which one is which, and who would win in a drag race (I am sure this will stir up some fun )



Regards

Do you have a tune for the V6 yet?