I should have bought a manual!!!

[Rip]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

.....
What?

My car has paddle shifters.... If you're actually going to argue technicality of paddle shifters to me then

ANd it's faster when a pro is driving it. Every run in on the highway I have had with LS3 I have won. Sure the LS3 has 26 more horsepower, but it requires the driver to be almost as good at shifting as the computer, which is pretty rare in your average joe and with a simple dyno tune the L99 will beat even a pro driver in the LS3.

Tuned L99 > tuned LS3.

And auto will always be easier, faster and cheaper in the long run.

Dude, stop digging. Stock, it's a driver's race. Tuned and modded, notsomuch.

[acamellis]

Hey but since mostly EVERYONE is a professional driver and automotive expert if you have an L99 and see a manual camaro or even a kia.... Run. Run hard and hide. You don't stand a chance
Thank God my auto is fast enough to get away from them so I can hide lol

[KKreme15]

Originally Posted by Tsaar

Can someone explain the difference in Camaro paddle shifters versus the others.

In addition to what was said above, they aren't even paddles. It's buttons. In the lambos and the like, there are legitimate paddles.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Well, the whole purpose behind me even wanting a manual transmission is that it has a less loss of power through the drivetrain which gives you more rwhp. That's all I'm really about;performance and looks. I don't really care about the whole "oh I feel I'm more in control of the car" argument; the deciding factor for me as to which transmission to choose is simply based on which is more efficient.

For instance, I do own an L99 auto, but originally I wanted a manual because from my reading and viewing dyno-graphs it's proven to get more rwhp, but my salesman and family kept insisting "oh if you don't know how to drive stick you should get the auto because it's no walk in the park" and "oh it'll be harder to sell a car with stick because many people don't really know how to drive one", ...so I just said, ok and got the automatic.

I'm very happy with my purchase though, the L99 Autobot is fast as hell out of the box and very consistent; I've even left a couple of manual SS drivers behind when they wanted to have some fun on an open road for friendly competition, they apparently missed a shift. You see in an auto I don't have that problem. Making a new car purchase is very hard though, your spending your hard earned money and you want something that's going to have great performance, looks,quality and long term reliability. I could care less about which car makes you feel like more of a man or "in control of the car", I just want something which is the more efficient of the two, if one even exist.

The GrandSport is 3,311 pounds I believe, that's ridiculously light,....there's supercars that don't weigh that much, so that's an advantage right there. It's manual transmission dynos about 390 rwhp in stock form, so let's see, you have a 3,311 pound 390 rwhp sports car,....and based on that you have a extremely vicious beast on your hands! Now if I had the auto, I'd imagine it probably would get less rwhp, say 350? I'm not happy about that; modding up you'd have to make a hell of a climb in hp numbers from 350 all the way up to 400hp, but if it was a manual, and dyno'd 390rwhp, a simple tune with some bolt-ons would put you over the 400rwhp range-easy, but I just don't know with the auto.

Which net you the most gains from mods, autos are manuals? Which is more consistent? Trick question:autos. You see that's my whole problem in deciding which Grandsport I want, I want something which has the best performance, and responds better to mods. I can afford a Grandsport, not a z06, so I'll have to just mod up, it's no skin off my back. But the way things look currently, I'd probably go with the manual. But if the auto produces around the same rwhp, I'd just say screw it and get the auto because it's easier to "mash and go" lol.

I really appreciate all of you guy's feedback, but could you all just quit bashing each other about which is better:manual vs automatic. I find it to be a damn ridiculous argument. Facts are facts, if autos are more consistent in a real world setting fine, that's just great, but if manual produce more horsepower at the rear wheels, then that balances things out. Either way, automatic Corvette Grandsport or manual Corvette Grandsport, auto L99 or manual LS3, it doesn't matter, they're still GREAT and AMAZING AMERICAN CARS! Just pick one that you like which suits your needs.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

your just like the news.... they dont tell the whole story... it was my first time EVERY going to the drag strip... it was 90 outside.... plus i am 18 years old.. have been driving a stick for 1 and half years... unlike your ***** auto it takes more skill to actually drive the car to get good times .... i am not a car expert, but you think in your brain that a lambo had the sam kind of transmission as you... plz just do some research... paddle shiffers in lambos have a " duel clutch system " thats completely then the M mode in your car.... now duel clutch is faster then autos and manuals.

i would bet. you put our cars on a track with the same wether same track , and put two professional drivers in ours cars and i am telling you my car will win in a 1/4 mile...
A. its weighs less
B. i would say 35 more bhp...
C. its a manual

how does that not make any sense to you....

Like I said. From a dig or roll my L99 will stomp on your modded LS3. Learn how to drive before you run around calling people "newbs." And I can tell you are not a car expert, don't worry.

Let me try to slow this down for you.

No driver will ever be better than a computer. Computers don't make mistakes, drivers do. Why do you think the fastest cars are automatic. The LS3 has more horsepower, yes, but it depends solely on the ability of the driver to use it. You may weigh less, you may have 35 more horsepower but you can't drive, and my computer can.

Ever wonder why Z06/GT500 can get beat by an SS or a s197? It's because the guy in the drivers seat shifting can't drive.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by Rip

Interesting, I had to replace one at 70K in the wife's Suburban and one at 120K in my Silverado.


BTW, replacing an auto isn't cheap.

What the hell are you doing to your cars. We never once had to replace the trans on our Acura RL or our Sclass Benz.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Like I said. From a dig or roll my L99 will stomp on your modded LS3. Learn how to drive before you run around calling people "newbs." And I can tell you are not a car expert, don't worry.

Let me try to slow this down for you.

No driver will ever be better than a computer. Computers don't make mistakes, drivers do. Why do you think the fastest cars are automatic. The LS3 has more horsepower, yes, but it depends solely on the ability of the driver to use it. You may weigh less, you may have 35 more horsepower but you can't drive, and my computer can.

Ever wonder why Z06/GT500 can get beat by an SS or a s197? It's because the guy in the drivers seat shifting can't drive.

Hilarious......but true.

[phenixdragon]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

Today was the 4th of July, didn't think my local Chevy dealer would even have open doors but I went on in and talked to some tech guys I knew worked there, and met up with a salesman and talked them into letting me test drive a jet black Grand-Sport(manual). And all I have got to say is "OMG...sweet Jesus". I love that car! It handles very good! And is scary fast! To say today was my first time driving a manual, the salesman told me I handled that bad boy like I did this before; I said, I watch alot of Motor Trend lol.

I just kept in mind, the clutch is like putting the car in neutral to disengage the selected gear from the engine in order to switch", and I did just fine! It's sooo simple! I may not have the physics of the technical aspect of how it actually does work down pack, but I damn sure can drive it. The speed and instantaneous take off is amazing. I kinda didn't want to get back in my automatic. On the way home I was switching back and forth from Drive to Sport Mode just to feel like I had a manual!! rofl!

I tell you guys,....when Im in the market for a new car, .....the Corvette, I will definitely be getting a manual transmission. It's fun and get's alot more rear-wheel horsepower.

Kind of wondering why you didn't test a manual when you bought your car.

And in my opinion, either get a ZR1 or don't get a Vette at all. I know I'd be pissed it wasn't a ZR1. And generally speaking...the only people I see with Vettes or looking to buy one are grandpas. lol

But yes, ZR1 or nothing at all.

[phenixdragon]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Like I said. From a dig or roll my L99 will stomp on your modded LS3. Learn how to drive before you run around calling people "newbs." And I can tell you are not a car expert, don't worry.

Let me try to slow this down for you.

No driver will ever be better than a computer. Computers don't make mistakes, drivers do. Why do you think the fastest cars are automatic. The LS3 has more horsepower, yes, but it depends solely on the ability of the driver to use it. You may weigh less, you may have 35 more horsepower but you can't drive, and my computer can.

Ever wonder why Z06/GT500 can get beat by an SS or a s197? It's because the guy in the drivers seat shifting can't drive.

Uh...so far manuals almost ALWAYS beat out an auto. Why? Because even though the computer can theoretically shift at the optimal points, they just don't. They pretty much only can work in a drag race but even so, they normally don't work properly and don't let you launch properly. On a road track, an auto is much worse off then a manual as the manual you can use it for helping you slow down, you can shift without power engaging right away, so many more options which allow you to have full control over what is happening. This is why if you turn off ABS, traction control, stabilizer, and other various electric controls you will perform better.

[KKreme15]

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Like I said. From a dig or roll my L99 will stomp on your modded LS3. Learn how to drive before you run around calling people "newbs." And I can tell you are not a car expert, don't worry.

Let me try to slow this down for you.

No driver will ever be better than a computer. Computers don't make mistakes, drivers do. Why do you think the fastest cars are automatic. The LS3 has more horsepower, yes, but it depends solely on the ability of the driver to use it. You may weigh less, you may have 35 more horsepower but you can't drive, and my computer can.

Ever wonder why Z06/GT500 can get beat by an SS or a s197? It's because the guy in the drivers seat shifting can't drive.

So you're telling us you aren't a driver? Your computer drives for you? LS3 is a drivers car(using your win logic)?

[StlRomAniaN]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

your just like the news.... they dont tell the whole story... it was my first time EVERY going to the drag strip... it was 90 outside.... plus i am 18 years old.. have been driving a stick for 1 and half years... unlike your ***** auto it takes more skill to actually drive the car to get good times .... i am not a car expert, but you think in your brain that a lambo had the sam kind of transmission as you... plz just do some research... paddle shiffers in lambos have a " duel clutch system " thats completely then the M mode in your car.... now duel clutch is faster then autos and manuals.

i would bet. you put our cars on a track with the same wether same track , and put two professional drivers in ours cars and i am telling you my car will win in a 1/4 mile...
A. its weighs less
B. i would say 35 more bhp...
C. its a manual

how does that not make any sense to you....

Ban this dude. Watch your mouth. It seems like all of his posts are of him bashing someone.

Also, he KNOWS that it's not the same type of transmission as a Lamborghini/Ferrari/etc. He is just stating that the same action has the same result in either car. Press/click the upshift paddle/button and it upshifts. Wow. Yes, when stock the shifts are a little delayed and lazy. However, with a tune the 6L80 is quick and will chirp 1-2 and 2-3. All that needs to be done is bump up the line pressure and eliminate about 50% of the torque management and voila, quick.

[2SSARMY]

Originally Posted by KKreme15

So you're telling us you aren't a driver? Your computer drives for you? LS3 is a drivers car(using your win logic)?

Are you really that naive? I'm saying no one on these forums will shift better than a tuned computer. Drivers make mistakes computers don't. This is why an auto is the best drag car. But I'm sure the 18 yr old running 13.4 with a modded LS3 is the best driver ever.

[v6sonoma]

I will never again buy another slushbox.

[2010 Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by mastertypodemon

but....but......remote start?

I love my remote start

Originally Posted by 2SSARMY

Are you really that naive? I'm saying no one on these forums will shift better than a tuned computer. Drivers make mistakes computers don't. This is why an auto is the best drag car. But I'm sure the 18 yr old running 13.4 with a modded LS3 is the best driver ever.

I got 13.308 @ 106.36 bone stock. It's a L99 A6. Light goes green , put it to the floor ! Like set it and forget it !