WHY NO SAT' NAV?

[swifttal]

Originally Posted by Eich

C. That Center stack / HVAC area would be a nightmare for an aftermarket company. I think GM wasted their time by going out of their way to make the center stack so unique. It may have received good reviews from the concept car but it didn't translate well in plastic. I would have MUCH preferred a more simple center stack with a double-dinn head unit that actually could be replaced if you wanted to. This is one area that I definitely prefer Ford's direction.

I understand that after driving an Audi for a while, the shock of a non-bland interior can be a bit overwhelming to the senses, but that will soon pass...

... just pullin' your chain

Originally Posted by Eich

A. Shouldn't have to change out stuff. Chevy already knows how to make a first class interior (Malibu, G8) but made some odd decisions in the Camaro IMO.

B. Aftermarket cosmetic accessories don't always look the best either.

Camaro's interior is first class - I'm sure they opted away from chrome because having as few things as possible on the dash that can blind you lessens the likelihood of lawsuits. I too think chrome would look better and will be purchasing a few aftermarket parts. The HVAC wont be a bid deal for aftermarket, they don't have to take apart each car they make it for, that's up to you, they just make the pieces. If you google, I've already found companies that sell these for Benz and the like (not that expensive either), so have faith... aftermarket will be huge for this car.

Originally Posted by Eich

I love the exterior of this car. But I need to see the interior in-person before buying. In pictures, it looks too gimmicky to me: Odd, un-changable center stack, no nav/backup screen, no electronic / automatic HVAC control, large shiny plastic on the doors, grey painted guage bezels, large oval chrome door handles. If I liked the interior 1/2 as much as the exterior, I would've ordered an SS by now.

With the quality of the stock deck, would you really switch that out? Looking at high $$$ to just match the quality. If it's a looks issue, to each his own. Oval door handles are pure class in my book. Also, the HVAC controls are digital, I don't get that one?
Would like popup nav though... maybe 2011?

With the modernized heritage theme of the car, Chevy definitely got this one right

[PA FAST]

Originally Posted by swifttal

Also, the HVAC controls are digital, I don't get that one?

Really? The Camaro has digitial HVAC controls? From the picture it looks like it has plain old manual HVAC controls. I don't see a little LCD screen that displays the temperature or anything. Personally I prefer the digital display with buttons over the manual with knobs, looks better IMO.

On a side note about the navigation I forgot to mention it's also a pain in the ass to do aftermarket. GM has the radio so intergrated that replacing it with something aftermarket might cause other problems for the car. Another reason why the in dash navigation should be an option when this car is released.

[Belo]

Originally Posted by camaro5

To each his own.

I love the interior. It's a tribute to the original '69 Camaro.

Should the new camaro come without seatbelts too? Not trying to pick a fight, but there have been just a few advancements in technology over the past 40 years. It's not like the new SS has carbs either...

[TheClassicCarKid]

Originally Posted by Belo

Should the new camaro come without seatbelts too? Not trying to pick a fight, but there have been just a few advancements in technology over the past 40 years. It's not like the new SS has carbs either...

Wouldn't bother me.
Don't have seatbelts in my car or on my bike

[swifttal]

Originally Posted by PA FAST

Really? The Camaro has digitial HVAC controls? From the picture it looks like it has plain old manual HVAC controls. I don't see a little LCD screen that displays the temperature or anything. Personally I prefer the digital display with buttons over the manual with knobs, looks better IMO.

On a side note about the navigation I forgot to mention it's also a pain in the ass to do aftermarket. GM has the radio so intergrated that replacing it with something aftermarket might cause other problems for the car. Another reason why the in dash navigation should be an option when this car is released.

Oh, I see what your saying, yeah that would be nice

[Craig]

Originally Posted by swifttal

With the quality of the stock deck, would you really switch that out? Looking at high $$$ to just match the quality. If it's a looks issue, to each his own. Oval door handles are pure class in my book. Also, the HVAC controls are digital, I don't get that one?
Would like popup nav though... maybe 2011?

With the modernized heritage theme of the car, Chevy definitely got this one right

Pop-up nav would probably interfere with the a/c vents. Notice where they're located in the CTS. I personally don't see us getting much in the way of MCE's and definately not a significant rework of the dash, given GM's condition. HUD and just maybe a couple new colors is all I would expect, and the colors are probably just wishful thinking. I'd give anything for green or even a decent blue.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Belo

Should the new camaro come without seatbelts too? Not trying to pick a fight, but there have been just a few advancements in technology over the past 40 years. It's not like the new SS has carbs either...

Styling is completely different from technology

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Belo

Should the new camaro come without seatbelts too? Not trying to pick a fight, but there have been just a few advancements in technology over the past 40 years. It's not like the new SS has carbs either...

It's a TRIBUTE to the original, not a copy.

Your statement is not cause for a fight.

I've learned not to try to educate anyone.

BTW, the whole car is a TRIBUTE to the 1969 Camaro.

And no, it doesn't have poly glass belted tires.

Any more ingenious observations? (Redundant question)

Look up redundant when you're looking up "TRIBUTE"

And you like the Mustang interior...Nuff said!

Originally Posted by Belo

I like the 11' mustang's interior more. (judging by pictures of both only)

[Belo]

And you like the Mustang interior...Nuff said!

I do. It's a personal opinion, and I am a full fledged hater of anything Ford. I understand that it's a tribute. I love the camaro. Engine, body and most of the interior.

It seems I am not alone when I think the Camaro interior could have a few more OPTIONS.

I'm so sick of people wanting nothing more then a track car. I have read: "Give me a car with manual windows, locks etc. for 10k less" so many times that it's getting tiresome.

Get over it. We're not in the 80's anymore. You are allowed to have a nice job, computer and house and own a camaro. You aren't required to have a mullet and trailer to legally own a new camaro.

I think most of us expect a 2010 car to have 2010 features. When I buy my 2011 camaro, I do not expect a 1969 camaro with a new engine and all the same options/features/creature comforts.

You can not reasonably pay tribute to the interior of a car 40 years old. We have airbags, a/c, cd players etc. These features will never fit well into a 40 year old interior, there HAS to be changes.

If you want a track car to put a roll cage into and take out the passenger seats for weight reduction, then buy a used 1970-2000 camaro/trans am, put in a crate motor and race away.

If you want a NEW car that will double as your dd, then you should be entitled to the same options and comforts that go into the malibu, accord, mustang. Once again OPTIONS, not standard equipment.

I agree with 95% of what was done to the camaro. Do I wish it came with gps as an option? Yes.

Do I wish it had climate control like my 98 gtp? Yes.

Will either of these few minor quips turn me away? Absolutely not!

And I wouldn't even have ranted like this if it looked like it would be easier to put in an aftermarket gps/dvd player. We're almost at the anniversary of the G8 and those guys still haven't figured it out.

/rant

[camaro5]

The only thing like a 1969 Camaro on the 2010 model, is some styling cues.

I owned a '69 Camaro, and I loved it and still do.

But they drove like a car from 40yrs ago. Primitive brakes, etc, etc.

Other than that, we actually agree on the sat/nav.

This is what I posted right here in THIS thread:

Originally Posted by camaro5

I don't like the way most instrument panels are designed around the nav screen in the center.

When I ordered a new Corvette, I did not order nav, mainly because if you get nav, GM removes the auxillary input jack.

That being said, if I ran a car company, EVERY model would have factory nav available.

It's basics of modern automobiles.

This is another case of GM telling potential customers what they should want, rather than listening and making products more people want to buy.

I'm happy they added a BLUE SS model, they do listen when they think it will cost them sales.

Don't flame me! I'm gasoline

Plus, no automatic climate control? Basics. GM has done too many things that make no sense in our modern market, and then ridicule us, and tell us we SHOULD want what they provide. Business works the other way around, and they need to listen to potential customers more often. Get the same fu attitude at GM dealers. Coincidence? NO.

Like the Blue SS being added. Thanks GM, you now have a chance of earning my business.

Just don't be ranting at me again, (GM) for having an opinion as a consumer.

And thanks for explaining your opinion belo, we're not that far apart in the end.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by camaro5

Plus, no automatic climate control? Basics. GM has done too many things that make no sense in our modern market, and then ridicule us, and tell we SHOULD want what they provide. Business works the other way around, and they need to listen to potential customers more often.

I wonder....how would you feel if GM installed all those froofy options but gave us a G8 GT powertrain, brakes and suspension? All while staying at this price point. No LS3, no FE3, no Brembos, and no Nurburgring tuning....but we get climate control and a Nav unit!

Theoritical, yes...but there is some truth to the above situation. There were many trade-offs to be made when the designed and engineered this car. Understanding that, are you comfortable with the trade-offs that were made?

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I wonder....how would you feel if GM installed all those froofy options but gave us a G8 GT powertrain, brakes and suspension? All while staying at this price point. No LS3, no FE3, no Brembos, and no Nurburgring tuning....but we get climate control and a Nav unit!

Theoritical, yes...but there is some truth to the above situation. There were many trade-offs to be made when the designed and engineered this car. Understanding that, are you comfortable with the trade-offs that were made?

You're a good man Dragon. You know me well enough that you know my answer.

I don't like built in sat/nav, and yes I want to rock and roll much more than having a microprocessor keeping the climate perfect.

But, shouldn't these options be at least available to the large contingent of potential buyers saying "No sat/nav, what?"

I have read many G8 reviews, and most say, where in the hell is the sat/nav.

You and I have bet before, how about this projection:

If the G8 is still in production in a few years, GM will add sat/nav to it finally.

Also, I bet the sat/nav decision was made by the same people who thought the Atari style, hideous volt/oil display in the G8 looked great.

GM has already removed that ridiculous display in the top of the line G8 GXP.

Holden, who builds the G8 and did the development work on the Camaro, has excellent analog gauges in that same dash binacle, on the Holden Commodore.

A few more astute decisions, and a little less arrogant ego, could sell more cars, and slow the domestic automaker's market share dropping further than it has.

[Vash]

Get on of those KITT nav toys.

[Belo]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I wonder....how would you feel if GM installed all those froofy options but gave us a G8 GT powertrain, brakes and suspension? All while staying at this price point. No LS3, no FE3, no Brembos, and no Nurburgring tuning....but we get climate control and a Nav unit!

Theoritical, yes...but there is some truth to the above situation. There were many trade-offs to be made when the designed and engineered this car. Understanding that, are you comfortable with the trade-offs that were made?

I will also agree that I would much rather shit n' get then be "comfortable/lazy".

But it's still mindboggling to me. This technology already exists. I'm not asking for state-of-the-art lane changing senors, adaptive cruise control or headlights. I can't imagine that the engineering costs are very high when it comes to technology now over a decade old.

And the most baffling of all is the G8. The Holden Commodore (essentially the Pontiac G8) already has a gps system with backup camera and dvd player. In principal, GM had to actually engineer a center stack that would not have an in-dash gps and would include atari gages.

So, once again I can't understand why a 2k dollar gps option isn't available. If I wanted a stripped down race car, I would buy a used trans AM. And as I stated before if the Camaro came with a double din dash. I would not buy the 2k dollar gps system. I would buy a nicer 1k dollar alpine that also plays dvds.

We've debated mustang, camaro, challenger a lot. But as camaro enthusiast we need the V6 to sell. The V6 is what will keep the camaro alive. If you're not an enthusiast you do care about stuff like climate control and gps. You're most likely buying a mustang/camaro for its looks, but you're not going to mod it (you probably cant change your own air filter). It's your dd. So you must decide what is more comfortable and more to your liking. I regret to say that the mustang interior appeals more to the masses.