Camaro SS vs 6.4 HEMI

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Stew

But the 6.4 is not a version of the old 6.1......

I didn't say it was.

My point is that the current 5.7 Hemi is putting out 375-390hp and the 6.1 Hemi is putting out 425hp. Based on those numbers, I just dont see this 6.4 Hemi putting out over 500hp.

[xs29j8]

Originally Posted by ayceman

not at all, heck I'd love to have any SRT next to my Camaro, they are awesome cars. I almost bought a Super Bee used last year, but a black Chally would be perfect company for my SS.

Sounds like a plan... my neighbor just bought his wife a limited edition Synergy Green Camaro to park next to his B5 Blue Six Speed 2009 Challenger SRT8 that he bought last year.

The SRT8 Challengers are already in the lower 30's for a low mileage one in mint condition, even the first year numbered cars. I believe the prices will continue to drop for a while, especially if a new 500 HP version is released... I'm still dreaming!

Here is a screen shot from a thread talking about used SRT prices...

[Stew]

Originally Posted by assasinator

there is NOTHING besides VVT that is new about this hemi. Semi-hemi to be exact. Ford used the same semi hemi technology and combustion chamber in 1969. a fixed lobe seperation cam with phasing is moderately more powerful than non VVT. to the tune of about 8 lb-ft in a 4.6 3v over locked phasing. thats a small percentage. 6.4 VVT will be no better in percentage. 12lb-ft maybe? 15 tops. it is something, but its not Tivct like 4 valves.

so the semi hemi is not high tech or new tech. no offense. 480 would be a good number.

the heads are going to have to flow like gangbusters to make those numbers.

Actually flow is one of the big improvements in the newer hemis. if I am not mistaken, the 5.7 VVT heads actually flow better than the 6.1 heads and I believe it will be all aluminum vs iron block?

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I didn't say it was.

My point is that the current 5.7 Hemi is putting out 375-390hp and the 6.1 Hemi is putting out 425hp. Based on those numbers, I just dont see this 6.4 Hemi putting out over 500hp.

Truth is we will have to wait and see LOL, maybe that Fiat Multair crap, i mean stuff will work wonders (ugh, don't think so, can you say gimmick? LOL)

[Stew]

Originally Posted by xs29j8

Sounds like a plan... my neighbor just bought his wife a limited edition Synergy Green Camaro to park next to his B5 Blue Six Speed 2009 Challenger SRT8 that he bought last year.

The SRT8 Challengers are already in the lower 30's for a low mileage one in mint condition, even the first year numbered cars. I believe the prices will continue to drop for a while, especially if a new 500 HP version is released... I'm still dreaming!

Here is a screen shot from a thread talking about used SRT prices...

Yep I have noticed this too. I am wanting to get a used 10 model (6 speed manual, transferrable 100k powertrain warranty). I stopped at the local dealer yesterday as they were finishing a deal on a Yellow 6 speed SRT8, i browsed around just to hear it pull out and give the new happy owner a thumbs up. Got they got that sound perfect on those cars!

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by Stew

Got they got that sound perfect on those cars!

Yes they did. Both the R/T and SRT sound damn good.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Yes they did. Both the R/T and SRT sound damn good.

I heard the new 5.0 Mustangs sound just like Mqueens car in Bullet, now lets get both of those going in a choris and talk about sweet music!

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by Stew

I heard the new 5.0 Mustangs sound just like Mqueens car in Bullet, now lets get both of those going in a choris and talk about sweet music!

It does. I test drove a new 5.0 last week and fell in love with its interior and exterior exhaust note.

[Georgie]

500+ HP SRT and 400+ RT would be awesome

great looking car btw

[xs29j8]

Originally Posted by Georgie

500+ HP SRT and 400+ RT would be awesome

great looking car btw

In a perfect world, make that:

500+ SRT / 400+ R/T / 300+ SE...

That is what it will take to be fully competitive with some current and upcoming Ford & GM offerings... a tall order for a pushrod motor pulling the heaviest of the three competitors.

As I said earlier, it depends what a buyer is looking for... performance value for the dollar, performance + style, or performance + style + utility/functionality. I am thoroughly pleased with my SRT... great performance (straight line & around corners), almost perfect styling IMO, and really a full size musclecar (as opposed to a Pony Car size)... with room for 4 real sized adults and a surprisingly roomy trunk for luggage on a road trip.

Even though my SRT is not the quickest muscle car of the new musclecar era, it is no slouch... and has an almost unbelievable top end (faster than I will ever take it). With all it's creature comforts, I have no doubt that it could outrun my old Hemi & Six Pack cars... straight line, turning, in every way!

If the new 6.4L Hemi has output in the range of 500 HP, I believe it will be more than a match for the current Camaro SS, but GM will of course up the ante. But, IMO, the horsepower wars cannot go on for much longer for several reasons:

> Pending fuel economy & emissions standards
> Limits of "usable" horsepower for the the average street/road are nearly being meet at 500/550 HP
> With the involvement of the federal government in GM & Chrysler, I expect we will be "saved from ourselves" for our safety

The big cubic inch N/A engines are having their last stand... better enjoy it! At best, the next round will be fought with Turbo V6 cars... they might be even quicker tho.

Just my take on the current musclecar era... I am enjoying the heck out of it!!!

XS

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by xs29j8

The big cubic inch N/A engines are having their last stand... better enjoy it! At best, the next round will be fought with Turbo V6 cars... they might be even quicker tho.

I sure hope you are wrong. Many people said that in the 70s, yet the big V8s made a big comeback.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

I sure hope you are wrong. Many people said that in the 70s, yet the big V8s made a big comeback.

But not big block V8's..big power V8's yes..but not BIG V8's.

[Georgie]

the challenger has the biggest cabin as well--you really can take that thing on a roadtrip no worries

[1bad65]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

But not big block V8's..big power V8's yes..but not BIG V8's.

The 6.1L Hemi and the GM 6.2L motors are big block V8s, correct?