Furious about my 9500ci

[raqball]

I would put them here if possible... Should be no more than 24" apart from each other...

[raqball]

Originally Posted by Robbie1227

The violations states exactly:
SPEEDING MUNICIPAL ROAD
Laser Lti 2089 Idbyfldl Po
60---49

Originally Posted by Robbie1227

Thanks Raqball!
Wow, 2089 feet, that does suck!
I will go back to the shop where I had it installed.

All officer write these differently but what I get out of this is

Gun used Laser LTI
Distance 2089 feet
idbyfldl = Identified by Florida Drivers License
Po 60---49 = Not a clue here...

[Callaway Chris]

Originally Posted by raqball

The shifters that come with the 9500c1 are ZR4's... They are not the best shifters around but will shift most guns to a few hundred feet...

Make sure the shifters are level and have an open view of the road... Also, if you do not have a front plate, they should be positioned by the headlights...

The best shifters are Laser Interceptor and Blinder... The ZR4's that came with your ci are fairly good against most guns but if you want / expect complete laser shifting then you need Laser Interceptors..

[Callaway Chris]

Originally Posted by Robbie1227

Someone asked what the violation stated
The violations states exactly:
SPEEDING MUNICIPAL ROAD
Laser Lti 2089 Idbyfldl Po
60---49

How do I test the laser shifters to be sure they are working?

Really?? I think you already "tested" them in real time

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by Robbie1227

Man, I didn't mean to cause a fight.
We're all friends here.
Just trying to get some laser shifting advice.

Robbie, it has been many years since I have run radar. In all honesty, it was easier than shooting fish in a barrel. I was taught to estimate the speed of the target vehicle and hit hit the target with the radar gun. After a little training I was able to estimate within 2-5 mph of the actual radar indicated speed. Back then radar detectors were usually only found in high end fast cars. I never just left my radar unit unit announcing my presence (portable handheld) and the instant on was perfect. I was working the boulevard one night around 3am when i saw a car coming fast. I estimated him at 95 and lit him up at 98. I watched the car just about stand on it's nose trying to brake as hard as he could without locking up. I pulled the Porsche over and the driver was mad as hell. He had the newest and best radar detector mounted under the rear view mirror. I told him that I had him at 98 in a posted 45 mph zone. He was spitting nails he was so mad that his radar detector had not worked. I explained to him that it worked just fine, but unless he could move his foot from the accelerator to the brake and get the car to stop at the speed of light, NO radar detector was going to be able to save him from instant on. Obviously from reading this thread there have been many advancements on both ends. My suggestion to you is to slow down some. Your detector/shifter might work most of the time, but I doubt it will work ALL of the time. And one more thing, Camaros, Corvettes, Mustangs, Challengers, Porches, Ferraris and the rest of the fast cars always attract more than their share of attention. Good luck and I hope everything went well with your wife. Be safe.

[TRC-SS]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

Robbie, it has been many years since I have run radar. In all honesty, it was easier than shooting fish in a barrel. I was taught to estimate the speed of the target vehicle and hit hit the target with the radar gun. After a little training I was able to estimate within 2-5 mph of the actual radar indicated speed. Back then radar detectors were usually only found in high end fast cars. I never just left my radar unit unit announcing my presence (portable handheld) and the instant on was perfect. I was working the boulevard one night around 3am when i saw a car coming fast. I estimated him at 95 and lit him up at 98. I watched the car just about stand on it's nose trying to brake as hard as he could without locking up. I pulled the Porsche over and the driver was mad as hell. He had the newest and best radar detector mounted under the rear view mirror. I told him that I had him at 98 in a posted 45 mph zone. He was spitting nails he was so mad that his radar detector had not worked. I explained to him that it worked just fine, but unless he could move his foot from the accelerator to the brake and get the car to stop at the speed of light, NO radar detector was going to be able to save him from instant on. Obviously from reading this thread there have been many advancements on both ends. My suggestion to you is to slow down some. Your detector/shifter might work most of the time, but I doubt it will work ALL of the time. And one more thing, Camaros, Corvettes, Mustangs, Challengers, Porches, Ferraris and the rest of the fast cars always attract more than their share of attention. Good luck and I hope everything went well with your wife. Be safe.

Very well said

[Speedfreak]

Originally Posted by Droid6

Speeding is not dangerous. The speed limits are set so artificially low so police can extort money out of citizens without taxing the life out of them to pay for politicians over-bloated salaries and piss poor overspending. I live right on the edge of a rural area and the speed limits on the highways are 55 MPH and I pass a half a dozen state troopers every time I drive on them but oddly enough when you head further up north the speed limit increases to 65 MPH and you don't see any troopers on the roads because they won't be able to extort as much money in an area where the speed limits are set to a more reasonable speed.

Exactly. Don't forget the insurance company scam.

[Robbie1227]

Old Jedi,
Thanks for the advice.
Everything did go well with my wife, Thanks for asking, she doesn't do pregnancy well. She has been pregnant 4x So far, and we only have 1 son to date, with #2 on the way, slated for Thanksgiving.
So, when she says she is not feeling well, or feeling weak, I am invisioning the worst and gettimg home as fast as possible. The officer saw that I was very distraught and reduced the ticket, but still made me wait till he wrote it. Thankfully my wife called a neighbor to come stay with her until I got home.
I am a very responsible business owner that works 6-7 days a week, 10-12 hours a day, and this car is my only outlet. I don't golf or fish.
I set the internal speed alarm to 40mph to keep me in line in the city limits.
Hopefully that works, One more ticket and I will be posting a Summit White 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS for sale I will get back into a large SUV and save my license from any more problems.
The last Camaro I owned was a 1991 Red Camaro with T-tops, when I lived in NY, and wasn't pulled over nearly as much as I am down here in Florida.

Thanks Again!

[raqball]

Originally Posted by Droid6

Speeding is not dangerous. The speed limits are set so artificially low so police can extort money out of citizens without taxing the life out of them to pay for politicians over-bloated salaries and piss poor overspending.

Originally Posted by Speedfreak

Exactly. Don't forget the insurance company scam.

Speeding is very dangerous... It's a proven FACT that reaction time and stopping distance is greatly increased with every MPH added...

Perhaps you should have visited some of the horrific car accidents that I responded to where speed was the primary factor in the accident...

Dead children and decapitated drivers are NOT a pretty sight...

Speed DOES kill, maim, and cripple thousands every year....

Most officers will not even give you a second look if you are under 10mph over the posted speed limit... (ie 49 in a 40).... If tickets were purely for generating funds, you'd be written for 1 mph over.....

[SS Drifter]

Originally Posted by Robbie1227

Man, I didn't mean to cause a fight.
We're all friends here.
Just trying to get some laser shifting advice.

I'll second that. Sorry to imply that anyone is a dork.

There is always some compromise between stealth and function but, I have basically the same set-up and it works great for me.

[raqball]

It's all good... I am not offended or upset and didn't look at it as a fight.... I just happen to know a lot about radar and try to help others... No sense having the shifters if the placement of them turns them into a paperweight is all...

Laser Interceptors would probably be effective where where you both have them mounted, but the ZR4's are not powerful enough for that location...

My .02

[scythezo6]

Laser is godmode for speed detection. Im pretty sure, based on physics, that laser is the end all for speed detection. Laser, along with all electromagnetic radiation, is the fastest thing we know of. The only differnce is laser light is more focused. By the time the officer shoots the laser, it hits your car and bounces back into the speed detector your car has maybe only moved less than a inch. And by then the laser has made hundreds of speed measurements. Thats way to late to react. Most laser guns take several readings per second. So based on that, as long as the cop can keeping a steady aim on you all he has to do wait for just one fraction of laser light to be reflected back and you're done. Unless you have the money and don't mind breaking a few laws you absolutely cannot legally (physically) make your car undetectable to lasers. Anyone know the physics behind these laser shifter/blocking things you're posting charts about? It seems pretty bogus to me. I think the money is better spent elsewhere.

[raqball]

Originally Posted by scythezo6

Laser is godmode for speed detection. Im pretty sure, based on physics, that laser is the end all for speed detection. Laser, along with all electromagnetic radiation, is the fastest thing we know of. The only differnce is laser light is more focused. By the time the officer shoots the laser, it hits your car and bounces back into the speed detector your car has maybe only moved less than a inch. And by then the laser has made hundreds of speed measurements. Thats way to late to react. Most laser guns take several readings per second. So based on that, as long as the cop can keeping a steady aim on you all he has to do wait for just one fraction of laser light to be reflected back and you're done. Unless you have the money and don't mind breaking a few laws you absolutely cannot legally (physically) make your car undetectable to lasers. Anyone know the physics behind these laser shifter/blocking things you're posting charts about? It seems pretty bogus to me. I think the money is better spent elsewhere.

False, false, and more false..... Shifters / LASER jammers ARE NOT against Federal law... Please educate yourself...

RADAR JAMMERS (illegal under Federal Law)

Radar Jammers are transmitters tuned to interfere with ("jam") a radar signal. The intentional use of jammers is considered "malicious interference" and is strictly prohibited by the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, as well as by FCC Rules. Anyone using a jammer risks such penalties as losing an FCC license, paying a fine, or criminal prosecution.


The Communications Act of 1934 states:

Sec. 333. Willful or malicious interference. No person shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communications of any station licensed or authorized by or under this Act or operated by the United States Government.

(June 19, 1934, ch. 652, title III, Sec. 333, as added Pub. L. 101-396, Sec. 9, Sept. 28, 1990, 104 Stat. 850.)


Sec. 501. General penalty

Any person who willfully and knowingly does or causes or suffers to be done any act, matter, or thing, in this chapter prohibited or declared to be unlawful, or who willfully and knowingly omits or fails to do any act, matter, or thing in this chapter required to be done, or willfully and knowingly causes or suffers such omission or failure, shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished for such offense, for which no penalty (other than a forfeiture) is provided in this chapter, by a fine of not more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year, or both; except that any person, having been once convicted of an offense punishable under this section, who is subsequently convicted of violating any provision of this chapter punishable under this section, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or both.

(June 19, 1934, ch. 652, title V, Sec. 501, 48 Stat. 1100; Mar. 23, 1954, ch. 104, 68 Stat. 30.)


Sec. 510. Forfeiture of communications devices

(a) Violation with willful and knowing intent

Any electronic, electromagnetic, radio frequency, or similar device, or component thereof, used, sent, carried, manufactured, assembled, possessed, offered for sale, sold, or advertised with willful and knowing intent to violate section 301 or 302a of this title, or rules prescribed by the Commission under such sections, may be seized and forfeited to the United States.

LASER JAMMERS (Laser jammers are illegal in California, Oklahoma, Utah, Colorado, Minnesota, Virginia, Illinois, Tennessee, South Carolina)

Currently there are no US federal laws prohibiting the use of laser jammers.
However, some states have passed their own laws against jamming police laser guns.

And to answer your question on how a Laser Gun works....

Laser guns do not use the Doppler principle like radar guns do. Instead, they use "time difference of arrival". The laser gun sends out a pulse, and calculates the "time of flight" for the pulse to be reflected back to the laser gun. Since the speed of light is a known value, the distance between the laser gun and it's target can be calculated by the time of flight. The laser gun takes multiple distance measurements, and by comparing the different distance measurements over time, it can determine the speed of the target.

And to answer your question as to how a Laser Shifter / Jammer works...

Generally speaking, the jammer must first recognise that it is being shot at. Then it must determine what kind of gun is shooting at it. Then it must fire back with the appropriate beam, at the appropriate pulse-rate, as no two laser gun models are the same. And all of this must happen at the speed of light. As you can see, it is not simply a matter of shining light back at the laser gun. However, in the past there was one jammer -- The Lidatek LE10 -- that employed "brute force" of high intensity laser optics as part of the equation, which allowed it better success at blinding a laser gun. Guns are more sophisticated these days though, so the "brute force" concept remains a valid adjunct factor, but cannot be reasonably relied upon as a sole manner of jamming laser. Consequently, don't fool yourself thinking that just adding a bunch of lights of any kind to your car is going to protect you.

One common misconception is that the laser beam from a police LIDAR gun is a very small, pinpoint beam, as common lasers are. It is not. The beam from police LIDAR, even at a very short distance, is several inches wide. At typical engagement distances (around 500 feet), the beam width is likely to cover the entire front end of your car. Consequently, simply protecting your licence plates and/or headlights with passive measures alone will not help you. The entire front end must be protected by a competent jammer.

As always, drive safe!!!!

[Raab_Himself]

my experience with friends and people who have radar or laser detectors is that they drive like crap.

ALL THE TIME