THE FIRST PRODUCTION WHIPPLE INSTALL STARTED

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

Trust me this thought has gone through my head several times. But the R&D and testing that GM is doing on Z28, can't be replicated by a local shop to offer me warranty. I've been through the modding over the past 10 years and literally spent over $100K on modes on different cars, but if the manufacture is going to have anything near, I'll give it consideration. 6th gen might be too far away and will have it's initial bugs...
I almost got on the GT500, but after driving a friend's car, I'd never touch that car, or I'll kill myself. Very unstable in corners with being live axle and front heavy. But thanks for the input!

Three arm solid axles have that bad habit. Taming a Mustang was the biggest challenge I have faced at Pedders. It can be done. We have the Saleen Mustang running dead heats, well almost as one car was faster with our Camaro. I really didn't think it would be possible.

Mustang on Track Video

Camaro on Track Video

The IRS in the Camaro talks to you while the Mustang demands that you read it.

[tandtperformance]

THIS IS THE 621RWHP RUN

[Caliman93230]

Originally Posted by tandtperformance

THIS IS THE 621RWHP RUN

the hp power line graph is right on the money, however the torque comes up kinda slow, I wonder why whipple torque comes latter on, Im would like to have instant torque like the tvs2300. any way good numbers.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

the hp power line graph is right on the money, however the torque comes up kinda slow, I wonder why whipple torque comes latter on, Im would like to have instant torque like the tvs2300. any way good numbers.

The torque curve is interesting. We're at 480 tq at 2600 rpm and above 530 tq at 3500 rpm. I don't know if I would define that as slow. One benefit that I see is traction. I don't seem to be having as much an issue as some folks I know. Now don't get me wrong I can easily smoke the tires at WOT. Remember there is a limit to the amount of tire you can fit under this vehicle. Too much at the bottom end and all you do is spin the tires. You won't be going any faster. Not to mention on a street driven vehicle the amount of stress that puts on the drive train.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

If you aren't careful, you will need a JBD, shuttle, and arresting gear in your driveway....

Found a key chain for ya...

You can go ahead and send that my way.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by Caliman93230

the hp power line graph is right on the money, however the torque comes up kinda slow, I wonder why whipple torque comes latter on, Im would like to have instant torque like the tvs2300. any way good numbers.

Instant torque is for rock climbing, pulling stumps out of the ground, pulling a heavy trailer, smoking ones tires or having extreme peppiness from stoplight to stoplight. However its not going to win 1/4 mile races... Just my 2 cents.

I`m sure the larger the blower the more it moves the power band up. At least I assume it would. The TVS1900 is known to have an incredible tip in.

[Roc Spo]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Instant torque is for rock climbing, pulling stumps out of the ground, pulling a heavy trailer, smoking ones tires or having extreme peppiness from stoplight to stoplight. However its not going to win 1/4 mile races... Just my 2 cents.

I`m sure the larger the blower the more it moves the power band up. At least I assume it would. The TVS1900 is known to have an incredible tip in.

I'm not so sure instant torque won't help in getting a 4000 lb car moving. If you can get it to the ground, the more torque the better. Here's my dyno sheet with less max HP but more max torque, and more of both down low. Come to Capitol tonight, and we'll find out which gets you to the finish line sooner.

Ric

[max rider]

I was told by LMR that the Maggie was the way to go over the whipple. Why is this? Just wanting some more opinions. Thanks

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by max rider

I was told by LMR that the Maggie was the way to go over the whipple. Why is this? Just wanting some more opinions. Thanks

I`m not sure how they can say that about these cars yet definitvely as there are no drag times out for these whipple powered cars yet. However in the Mustang world, which is the only long term place you can compare Maggie`s to Whipple`s, Whipple powered stangs are faster. Search mustang forums and you will see. So I think perhaps its because LMR sells maggie`s and wants your business? Not sure but I would love to know how they came to that conclusion.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by Roc Spo

I'm not so sure instant torque won't help in getting a 4000 lb car moving. If you can get it to the ground, the more torque the better. Here's my dyno sheet with less max HP but more max torque, and more of both down low. Come to Capitol tonight, and we'll find out which gets you to the finish line sooner.

Ric

No doubt instant torque will get that car moving "if" you can hook it up. That is the key. What I will say is this, the fastest 1/4 mile Vette`s run centrifical blowers, vortech, procharger ect.. ie.. they make power higher in the rpm band, maggie powered Vette`s never seem to be able to run the same times. You can check on the corvette forum for those numbers. Now inmho the Whipple and to a similar extent the KB give you the best of both worlds, torque much sooner than the centrificals, but the ability to breathe up top better than the maggie, and almost as good as the centri`s.

As far as coming to Capital tonight, I would love too, but, I`m still waiting on my blower... Starting to get a little irritated on that, but I`m sure its worth the wait. I see you have runn 11.35@126 and you have a cam as well as the Maggie. You do realize the Whipple makes almost that power (560rwhp vs your 581rwhp) w/ everything else stock? Plus I have run 12.2 already w/ 364 rwhp, only .88 seperates us and I will be adding over 200rwhp, so if I hook it would be very bad for you I would think... We should set up a winner pays the others cost to run that night kind of thing at the trak.. A freindly wager so to speak.. What type of tires do you run? 60 foot? It does sound like you have a very nice setup.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by max rider

I was told by LMR that the Maggie was the way to go over the whipple. Why is this? Just wanting some more opinions. Thanks

You should really contact Tim at T and T performance. He sells both systems. More importantly, his personal vehicle is a 2010 Camaro SS. He initially had the maggie on his vehicle and has recently switched to the Whipple. He is the only person out there that has driven both systems and can give an honest assessment. His number is (240)674-3930.

One thing to keep in mind when getting advice from different shops is that they recommend what they know. Because let's face it, they want a happy customer. That means less headaches for them. Most honest shops will tell you that they have a preference for this reason, like say Lingenfelter. Other shops will bad mouth other products to get you to buy theirs.

[max rider]

Thanks I will give him a call.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by Roc Spo

I'm not so sure instant torque won't help in getting a 4000 lb car moving. If you can get it to the ground, the more torque the better. Here's my dyno sheet with less max HP but more max torque, and more of both down low. Come to Capitol tonight, and we'll find out which gets you to the finish line sooner.

Ric

Ric,

I don't drag race. I have no interest in it. So that talk is wasted on me. My car is a daily driver. Not to mention, I don't live in Maryland. Tim on the other hand does race extensively. He is getting better numbers than I am. I am sure he can hook you up once his car is finished. I'm not sure if it's put back together yet.

One thing I want to cut off, because I see where this is going, this is not a Whipple vs. Maggie thread. There are a ton of threads about maggies or about which system is better. This thread was to answer people's questions about the Whipple. I see way too much rudeness and thread jacking on here.

I can speak to a couple of differences that Tim and the tuners have noted between camaros equipped with these 2 superchargers. First is the inlet air temps. My car was dynoed the same day as a maggie equipped camaro. My inlet air temp was about 80F his was 140+ and increased after each run. Mine remained stable. The whipple continues to pull until redline the maggie tends to fall off.

But let's be real, if you're trying to build a drag racer, and are looking for max horsepower, than a centrifugal or twin turbo will be much better suited for that application. Ask superchargedSS who has a maggie and is switching as well to a centrifugal.

Please keep in mind that I went for a very mild set up. I intentionally did not choose an aggressive cam profile and I am running almost the largest pulley possible. I even kept the stock exhaust. If I decide to go larger in the future the whipple has a ton of room to grow. Ultimately that's why I went with it.

[usmcjlp]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

No doubt instant torque will get that car moving "if" you can hook it up. That is the key. What I will say is this, the fastest 1/4 mile Vette`s run centrifical blowers, vortech, procharger ect.. ie.. they make power higher in the rpm band, maggie powered Vette`s never seem to be able to run the same times. You can check on the corvette forum for those numbers. Now inmho the Whipple and to a similar extent the KB give you the best of both worlds, torque much sooner than the centrificals, but the ability to breathe up top better than the maggie, and almost as good as the centri`s.

As far as coming to Capital tonight, I would love too, but, I`m still waiting on my blower... Starting to get a little irritated on that, but I`m sure its worth the wait. I see you have runn 11.35@126 and you have a cam as well as the Maggie. You do realize the Whipple makes almost that power (560rwhp vs your 581rwhp) w/ everything else stock? Plus I have run 12.2 already w/ 364 rwhp, only .88 seperates us and I will be adding over 200rwhp, so if I hook it would be very bad for you I would think... We should set up a winner pays the others cost to run that night kind of thing at the trak.. A freindly wager so to speak.. What type of tires do you run? 60 foot? It does sound like you have a very nice setup.

Thanks, GMRULZ.