Still no SC for V6 eh?

[jagan323]

Imo, I agree... as long as the SC market gets in fast... im sure a lot of Camaros would go SC. Everyone going TC because thats the only FI available... other than Nitrous.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Just waiting on that dang tune

[jagan323]

I'm sure this video has been posted and watched a lot, but come on, "coming fall 2009". I hate teasers like this... I suppose they aren't doing anymore development =(

[SDCamaro10]

Originally Posted by jagan323

I'm sure this video has been posted and watched a lot, but come on, "coming fall 2009". I hate teasers like this... I suppose they aren't doing anymore development =(

Wouldnt count on it buddy, they wont even update the thread. Got their hands busy with the 'big boys'. Can honestly say though, i didnt like the look of that set up. I like to be able to see the SC, not pipes. Of course, function over appearance, and it looks ok.. but i think it could be better.

Wish they didnt drop the ball on that.

[jagan323]

yeah... i didnt like the wrinkle black piping... If it was like polished piping, i'd be cool with that. But given the circumstances, i'd be happy with just about any SC setup lol.

On another note... am I the only one that thinks SC is more fitting on the Camaro than a TC? I'd still go for the SC setup over TC, even if that means I'd have a slower camaro...

Don't know maybe its just engraved in my head that a Muscle Car/Pony Car is better with a SC =p

I did email lingenfelter, hope they will reply me LOL. Imo, they don't even need anymore money for R&D. THey already have a working car with the SC. They just need enough people to invest in them to start producing imo.

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by jagan323

yeah... i didnt like the wrinkle black piping... If it was like polished piping, i'd be cool with that. But given the circumstances, i'd be happy with just about any SC setup lol.

On another note... am I the only one that thinks SC is more fitting on the Camaro than a TC? I'd still go for the SC setup over TC, even if that means I'd have a slower camaro...

Don't know maybe its just engraved in my head that a Muscle Car/Pony Car is better with a SC =p

I did email lingenfelter, hope they will reply me LOL. Imo, they don't even need anymore money for R&D. THey already have a working car with the SC. They just need enough people to invest in them to start producing imo.

naw because the word "turbo" is usually associated with sports cars and imports thats why. me myself im just waiting on reliability issues if anything else with the sts setup.

[SDCamaro10]

Um.. Grand National?? lol.. stock twin turbo's. Turbo's are very efficient with domestic cars, and they shouldnt be labeled as an import thing. Ive seen a lot more muscle and pony cars with twin turbos than i have with superchargers. Granted I think a lot more of the newer models go supercharged.. but they each have their advantages and disadvantages. I would like to see a supercharger for the V6, but im putting my money into a turbo system.

[seanm@stillen]

Buick Grand National 3.8 L V-6 turbo. Fun cars. I had a 1984 T-Type and I had an 86 Grand National.

I still have a few GM turbo trucks , GMC Syclone, and GMC Tyhpoon. V-6 4.3 liter turbo.

There are positives and negatives with every setup. Generally speaking its easier to get emissions certification with a supercharger. Turbos produce a lot of heat, so there are always some issues with proper heat shielding. A turbo is more efficient than a supercharger. There are different types of superchargers - centrifugal and positive displacement that are generally used, and they have different characteristics. The positive displacement gives you more low end, the centrifugal is more linear.

At STILLEN we have used both positive displacement and centrifugal superchargers on cars and trucks.

There are advantages and disadvantages to every system.

My girlfriend works for GM and has a V-6 C5 Camaro. She wanted to twin turbocharge it. Her background was originally at AEM, and then at Turbonetics, so she knows the right people, the biggest issue with the V-6 being the engine management.

I might see if she is interested in doing either the twin turbo, or a supercharged setup on her car.

[Dyk-NO]

Originally Posted by seanm@stillen

I might see if she is interested in doing either the twin turbo, or a supercharged setup on her car.

So if your gf decided to tc her car you won't work on a sc for the v6? did I get this right?

I personally want a supercharger because my v6 is my DD and I'm not gonna go out racing everybody, but it would be nice to have a FI car without the hassle of the turbo set up.

[seanm@stillen]

Originally Posted by Dyk-NO

So if your gf decided to tc her car you won't work on a sc for the v6? did I get this right?

I personally want a supercharger because my v6 is my DD and I'm not gonna go out racing everybody, but it would be nice to have a FI car without the hassle of the turbo set up.

What are the "hassles" of a turbo setup?

[Dyk-NO]

turbo lag and like you said some kits have emission issues.

[CamaroDreams07]

I don't think the STS is having any problems with excessive lag. I mean, it's always gonna be there, but how much it's noticed I think is relative.

[seanm@stillen]

Originally Posted by Dyk-NO

turbo lag and like you said some kits have emission issues.

I have issues with the term turbo lag. Most people can not explain it correctly.

The thing about a turbo is that it is exhaust driven. The more exhaust flow, the more air it draws in, the more air it compresses.

By straight definition, a centrifugal supercharger would be endlessly laggy. However, it gives a power increase, boost increases with engine rpm.

A turbo charger makes big torque. Huge torque. Off boost, the car should have the same power/torque as a non-turbo car, but once it comes up on boost, you get a huge hit in your back. People call this lag. Its just that the turbo makes so much power that what it was before, feels pretty weak.

If you size turbochargers correctly, you can make lots of low end power, lots of torque, and minimize peoples impressions of "lag".

Check out these dynocharts from IPS of their twin turbo kit vs a few different setups on a V-8 Camaro. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91275

[SDCamaro10]

Originally Posted by seanm@stillen

I have issues with the term turbo lag. Most people can not explain it correctly.

The thing about a turbo is that it is exhaust driven. The more exhaust flow, the more air it draws in, the more air it compresses.

By straight definition, a centrifugal supercharger would be endlessly laggy. However, it gives a power increase, boost increases with engine rpm.

A turbo charger makes big torque. Huge torque. Off boost, the car should have the same power/torque as a non-turbo car, but once it comes up on boost, you get a huge hit in your back. People call this lag. Its just that the turbo makes so much power that what it was before, feels pretty weak.

If you size turbochargers correctly, you can make lots of low end power, lots of torque, and minimize peoples impressions of "lag".

Check out these dynocharts from IPS of their twin turbo kit vs a few different setups on a V-8 Camaro. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91275

Well said.

I never had much of 'lag' with my set ups. If you put a huge turbo on a small displacement engine that cant get air out fast enough, you'll feel the 'lag' and it will seem like it wont spool as fast as it probably should. The turbos i've had spooled very quick, even in low rpms and delivered some serious power across the rpm's when boosting. You just have to do some research and find whats best for your motor.