How Much can it handle?

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by Never2LowChevy

If your REALLY worried about insurance and gas milage, buy an aveo... you could always put an exhaust on it and have people ask "thats a 4 cylinder?"

That's a really, really, really, really stupid argument. I like performance. I like driving. I love taking a car on mountain roads and pushing it to its limits. I like autocrossing, and I'd like to get some track time in too. I'm also 21, with an internship, student loans, dim job and income prospects for the next few years, and aware that gas prices are volatile. I drive a Cobalt right now, which is fantastically fuel efficient and insurance friendly. With a set of high performance tires it actually is some fun in the mountains, but I definitely want a true sporty car as an upgrade. So what you're saying is, just because insurance and fuel prices are somewhat of a concern to me, I shouldn't go for the best compromise, but instead go for one extreme or another? If you care about performance then why aren't you buying a Bugatti Veyron? If you're not springing for the most extreme example, then you should go for the lowest possible one right? Sorry for the politically incorrect language but that is simply retarded.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by stovt001

That's a really, really, really, really stupid argument. I like performance. I like driving. I love taking a car on mountain roads and pushing it to its limits. I like autocrossing, and I'd like to get some track time in too. I'm also 21, with an internship, student loans, dim job and income prospects for the next few years, and aware that gas prices are volatile. I drive a Cobalt right now, which is fantastically fuel efficient and insurance friendly. With a set of high performance tires it actually is some fun in the mountains, but I definitely want a true sporty car as an upgrade. So what you're saying is, just because insurance and fuel prices are somewhat of a concern to me, I shouldn't go for the best compromise, but instead go for one extreme or another? If you care about performance then why aren't you buying a Bugatti Veyron? If you're not springing for the most extreme example, then you should go for the lowest possible one right? Sorry for the politically incorrect language but that is simply retarded.

- Xanthos

P.S. - Although I was thinking of buying a four-door aveo or cobalt as a daily driver after I paid off the camaro.

[Mr. Wyndham]

I should know better than to keep this going, but I want to add one last thing...

For me...on-paper numbers and timeslips don't mean a darn thing. I was talking with a friend the other day, and we agreed; what really matters to us is the driving experience. How does it FEEL? (Obviously more power makes it feel better) And a couple of the disciples remarked, after taking the V6 car around Milford, that they thought it felt close to how their '02 V8s felt...Even though we know they aren't, as long as it feels that engaging - it's good enough for me.

[TJ91]

I am getting a 2LT and by all means, Xanthos, i cant wait til you do what you want to your camaro, i will need your help and advice, because i want to add power with boltons but i want to keep the warranty, however that said, the v6 will sound great, but it will never sound like a v8, but thats ok by me. I love the 6, and the 8, i wish i could afford the SS, but insureance for an 18 year old, i got quoted at 840 a month, for the 6 im looking at 615, reguardless this camaro has an engine that fits for all buyers. When i am older, i will most definitly put in a crate engine, but for now, a modded 6 with good gas milage, cheap insurance and stunning looks will be more car then i need.
Does flashing your chip or installing a chip void your warranty?

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by TJ91

I am getting a 2LT and by all means, Xanthos, i cant wait til you do what you want to your camaro, i will need your help and advice, because i want to add power with boltons but i want to keep the warranty, however that said, the v6 will sound great, but it will never sound like a v8, but thats ok by me. I love the 6, and the 8, i wish i could afford the SS, but insureance for an 18 year old, i got quoted at 840 a month, for the 6 im looking at 615, reguardless this camaro has an engine that fits for all buyers. When i am older, i will most definitly put in a crate engine, but for now, a modded 6 with good gas milage, cheap insurance and stunning looks will be more car then i need.
Does flashing your chip or installing a chip void your warranty?

I think thats a moot question since you can't simply flash the chip or install a new chip in this car. There's a reason why nobody's been able to tune it yet.

On another note, I probably won't be keeping the warranty on my car (at least not certain parts of it) with the stuff I plan on doing. As it stands my future mod list includes:

Custom modular intake
Ported throttle body
Long tube headers
High flow cats (x2 on each side)
Resonator delete
Flowmaster Delta 40 mufflers

And then once the box is cracked I'll probably cam it too (if somebody comes out with some mild cams for it) which would DEFINITELY void the warranty.

But, I'm expecting to hit 380 flywheel horses and 350 flywheel torque even before cams or tune. If not slightly higher.
- Xanthos

P.S. - its a good thing Oklahoma doesn't have emissions testing.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Mindz

400 hp in a v6 is more than respectable. I might end up with a 6 cylinder later on in life, but I'm going to enjoy what I feel might be the last of the big displacement years while I can. You've had that experience so you're fine with a v6 and I probably would feel the same way had I experienced it too.

we have a 400hp v6? noice...

Originally Posted by Never2LowChevy

Sorry, No disrespect, but a V6 will NEVER sound as good as a V8. Ive had a V6 that wasnt a slouch by any means but never did it measure up to a V8 sound or fun factor wise. Saying that you want people to say "thats a V6?" is the same as people seeing and hearing a STOCK V8 and saying "wow, thats stock?". Its kinda like a Harley Davidson, if somthing sounds "mean" it should BE mean. If your V6 SOUNDS mean but cant beat a V8 with an exhaust, your still gonna get laughed at and asked "that thing is modified?" Now if your runnin against other V6s then yeah, go for it. If your REALLY worried about insurance and gas milage, buy an aveo... you could always put an exhaust on it and have people ask "thats a 4 cylinder?"

wow...where to begin....


woopity doo that a v-6 wont sound like a v-8. its not supposed to. ya know what, the L99 wont sound the same when AFM is active as when all 8 cyls are running either. again.... woopity doo.

if something sounds mean, it should be. while I generally agree with that, just because it sounds mean doesnt mean it is. too many times ive seen/heard camswaps that they want a lopey idle so it "sounds mean" but dont pay attention to what they are getting power wise. hell, I could tune my car with the stock cam to get a lopey idle. and while it would sound great, it wouldnt do much for power.

If your V6 SOUNDS mean but cant beat a V8 with an exhaust, your still gonna get laughed at and asked "that thing is modified?"

if your v8 sounds mean but cant beat my v8 with an exhaust, you're still gonna get laughed at and asked "that thing is modified?"

a 300hp v-6 is nothing to gawk at. sure, its no 400hp v8, but its still a powerhouse for what it is. compared to the barely 200hp v-6s of yesteryear its a hell of a bargain.

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

I think thats a moot question since you can't simply flash the chip or install a new chip in this car. There's a reason why nobody's been able to tune it yet.

tune this car or the LS3 in general? cus its been tuned on the vettes and the holden cars. tho, we dont have chips on these cars, just a tuneable pcm

Custom modular intake
Ported throttle body
Long tube headers
High flow cats (x2 on each side)
Resonator delete
Flowmaster Delta 40 mufflers

you planing on replacing the whole intake manifold? sure. might add a little for a lot of $$

porting the t/b might help, might not. ive seen instances where it actually messed things up. in fact, I just switched my LT1 back to the stock 48mm t/b from a 58mm as it was messing up some things with the computer with the idle and tps.

I will however be upgrading to an AS&M monoblade t/b when I finish my s/c project.

cats. if you know you arent going to be worried about emissions, why bother?
esp if you go with longtubes, as it will make it harder to get them to pass testing.

as far as the resonator delete, just get a CAI, that will/should take care of that.


flowmaster 40's.... dunno, might sound good, might sound like ass.

[Xanthos]

I was referring to the LLT, not the LS3 when I was talking about not being able to tune it.

And no, I won't be replacing the intake manifold.
- Xanthos

[SScattergunSS]

I'm sure GM is going to make these Direct 6 Camaro's sound as good as they can get away with. Everybody WILL be as happy a pig in poop as they drive off the showroom floor...as well they should be! But the bottom line is, you just won't get a small displacement six sounding as good as a larger displacement eight.

A long time ago my buddy/mechanic did my exhaust on my old T/A. This guy was PICKY, and he did a great job!!! He on the other hand had a wicked Grand National. Try as he may, try as he might, he could never get that thing sounding anywhere near as good as he got my T/A to sound, and it used to piss him off to the high heavens!!! There was even one night when I went to pick up the car from him after I blew up the rear end. As I was test driving it, I came up to a light where I had to go right, and the car (the original Viper) next to me had to go left. We started talking and I told him how much I love his car etc., and he told me he was out on his first date with it. It was a beautiful car, and he was a good guy!!! But when the light turned green and we went our own ways, (neither one of us got on it) I started smiling...my T/A sounded better!!!

That old Trans Am couldn't touch either that Grand National or that Viper, but it did sound better! (I wonder if that Viper driver ever changed his exhaust?)

[Xanthos]

Who said anything about large displacement V8s? Personally I've never been a fan of the sound of anything over a 350 - don't even get me started on big blocks.

I'm more shooting for the sound that me 305 camaro made. And it seems very achievable with this V6.
- Xanthos

P.S. - The above is purely my opinion.

[Flighttester]

Originally Posted by SS4EVER

Sorry but a better induction system and a "much better valvetrain" doesn't = more potential.

A V8 will always have more potential than a V6.

For performance the V8 will be better than the V6. Now there's some exceptions like the Supra, which back in it's day the tt 2JZ, was taking on the C4 ZR1.

But sorry guys. If you buy the V6 Camaro, nothing against it but if you're buying it with any bit of performance in mind (exception being light mods for sound or a little better performance over stock) let me tell you right now you're better of spending the extra few k for the SS.

I don't need 'potential'... I much prefer efficiency, smoothness and durability over raw hp. If the car is light enough (as if you can call over 3,500 pounds light), 300 horses should be more than adequate.

Not to say the Chevy V-8 isn't fairly good in the area of efficiency but you just can't top direct injection for efficiency and the ability to run on almost any grade of fuel without detonation, even at very high compression ratios.

3.2L should be more than adequate displacement for any vehicle.

I would pay the same for the V6 over the V8 if it was a good one.

[TheMadHatter99]

Speaking as somone who currently drives a comparatively underpowered V6, there's absolutely no excuse for the V8 snobbery often found on car forums.

As has been stated before, without the V6 all of our beloved muscle cars would have long since been retired because V8 sales alone are not profitable enough to justify the existence of the vehicle. If GM only made V8 Camaros, because "that's what a true muscle car is," then the Camaro would not be making its return at all. V6's are the bread and butter of muscle car sales and those who scoff at the engines lacking two extra cylinders would do well to remember that.

Additionally, V6's can be a hell of a lot of fun to drive. My Mustang is by no means a HP monster, but I can still get it to let loose, slide a bit, and beat the majority of cars on American roads off the line. And that's with only 200hp, a 300hp Camaro should do far better.

Frankly I am planning on ordering an SS eventually so that it will be waiting for me when I return from deployment, but that's a personal choice reflecting my desire to own an 8 cylinder before they become museum pieces. I have a great respect for anyone who buys a V6 Camaro because, without them, I would not be able to get my V8. Hell, I have a lot of respect and gratitude towards anyone who buys American these days which, after all, is the bigger issue and the one we should all be focused on rather than on an argument centered around a measely two cylinders.

[Flighttester]

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter99

Speaking as somone who currently drives a comparatively underpowered V6, there's absolutely no excuse for the V8 snobbery often found on car forums.

As has been stated before, without the V6 all of our beloved muscle cars would have long since been retired because V8 sales alone are not profitable enough to justify the existence of the vehicle. If GM only made V8 Camaros, because "that's what a true muscle car is," then the Camaro would not be making its return at all. V6's are the bread and butter of muscle car sales and those who scoff at the engines lacking two extra cylinders would do well to remember that.

Additionally, V6's can be a hell of a lot of fun to drive. My Mustang is by no means a HP monster, but I can still get it to let loose, slide a bit, and beat the majority of cars on American roads off the line. And that's with only 200hp, a 300hp Camaro should do far better.

Frankly I am planning on ordering an SS eventually so that it will be waiting for me when I return from deployment, but that's a personal choice reflecting my desire to own an 8 cylinder before they become museum pieces. I have a great respect for anyone who buys a V6 Camaro because, without them, I would not be able to get my V8. Hell, I have a lot of respect and gratitude towards anyone who buys American these days which, after all, is the bigger issue and the one we should all be focused on rather than on an argument centered around a measely two cylinders.

Been there, done that myself.

I had the V8 almost 40 years ago and I'm really not missing it today.

I like a handling/performance car and I still want one. If I had my druthers, I'd want the car to weigh in at about 2,800 pounds and have maybe about 250 horses or so.

Todays fuel prices don't bode well for large displacement engines and the ability of multi-valve engines to get lots of power by using revolutions instead of displacement is the contemporary way to performance.

I don't expect a low-cost car like a Camaro to offer alloy suspension parts and aluminum body panels but, that's where the 'compromise' of the relatively large displacement (3.6L) V-6 comes in. It has enough displacement to move even the truck like weight of a nearly 4,000 pound fairly well.

I've never really been a drag racer. It's just that that was about all my old (1970 Camaro SS350) was really good at.

Since that time, I've always had sports cars.

If I get a new Camaro, it will to replace my RX-7 or my current Mazda MX-5/Miata, not my 1970 Camaro. (The Audi quattro is the wife's car) I'm not really into retro. I really just want a decent powered, two-seat coupe and they are very rare these days. The Corvette is overdone/overpowered for my application.

The new Camaro just might do the job. Don't really know yet. I'll have to see one and drive one. I don't count the V-8 out yet but the V-6 looks more promising so far.

I prefer to buy American and I always have but, I won't do that unless they make what I really want and need. When it comes to sports cars, that hasn't been the case for a long time.

I hope that's changing.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by TheMadHatter99

Speaking as somone who currently drives a comparatively underpowered V6, there's absolutely no excuse for the V8 snobbery often found on car forums.

As has been stated before, without the V6 all of our beloved muscle cars would have long since been retired because V8 sales alone are not profitable enough to justify the existence of the vehicle. If GM only made V8 Camaros, because "that's what a true muscle car is," then the Camaro would not be making its return at all. V6's are the bread and butter of muscle car sales and those who scoff at the engines lacking two extra cylinders would do well to remember that.

Additionally, V6's can be a hell of a lot of fun to drive. My Mustang is by no means a HP monster, but I can still get it to let loose, slide a bit, and beat the majority of cars on American roads off the line. And that's with only 200hp, a 300hp Camaro should do far better.

Frankly I am planning on ordering an SS eventually so that it will be waiting for me when I return from deployment, but that's a personal choice reflecting my desire to own an 8 cylinder before they become museum pieces. I have a great respect for anyone who buys a V6 Camaro because, without them, I would not be able to get my V8. Hell, I have a lot of respect and gratitude towards anyone who buys American these days which, after all, is the bigger issue and the one we should all be focused on rather than on an argument centered around a measely two cylinders.

Sometimes I think this is the reason the GTO went down after only three years. That and the poorish styling.
- Xanthos

[zebra]

Originally Posted by TJ91

...insureance for an 18 year old, i got quoted at 840 a month, for the 6 im looking at 615...

have you completely demolished every car you've ever touched! i'm guessing that's every 6 months, because if not, that's 10,080 & 7380 a year & you should never own anything new enough to qualify for more than liability!