Furious about my 9500ci

[orangeonwhite]

Originally Posted by Droid6

Speeding is not dangerous. The speed limits are set so artificially low so police can extort money out of citizens without taxing the life out of them to pay for politicians over-bloated salaries and piss poor overspending. I live right on the edge of a rural area and the speed limits on the highways are 55 MPH and I pass a half a dozen state troopers every time I drive on them but oddly enough when you head further up north the speed limit increases to 65 MPH and you don't see any troopers on the roads because they won't be able to extort as much money in an area where the speed limits are set to a more reasonable speed.

+1 true in WA state

[Rogue Leader]

I just wanna get back to $2000 for a freekin radar detector. I've had a LOT of tickets over the past 14 years of driving, to the point that I had to get a lawyer, and I STILL don't think I spent a total of $2000 on tickets.

Forget the detector and eat the ticket.

[c_LoW29]

Originally Posted by Droid6

Speeding is not dangerous. The speed limits are set so artificially low so police can extort money out of citizens without taxing the life out of them to pay for politicians over-bloated salaries and piss poor overspending. I live right on the edge of a rural area and the speed limits on the highways are 55 MPH and I pass a half a dozen state troopers every time I drive on them but oddly enough when you head further up north the speed limit increases to 65 MPH and you don't see any troopers on the roads because they won't be able to extort as much money in an area where the speed limits are set to a more reasonable speed.

Speeding is not Dangerous! I would like to slap whomever gave you your license.

[mrray13]

Originally Posted by raqball

Speeding is very dangerous... It's a proven FACT that reaction time and stopping distance is greatly increased with every MPH added...

Perhaps you should have visited some of the horrific car accidents that I responded to where speed was the primary factor in the accident...

Dead children and decapitated drivers are NOT a pretty sight...

Speed DOES kill, maim, and cripple thousands every year....

Most officers will not even give you a second look if you are under 10mph over the posted speed limit... (ie 49 in a 40).... If tickets were purely for generating funds, you'd be written for 1 mph over.....

Case in point, in Illinois the fine for speeding from 1mph to 20mph over is the same, $120, no construction zone or other charges. That's it. No court costs or other fees, unless you choose court supervision. (of course other jurisdictions might apply things) If I was sent out purposely to generate revenue only, I would start writing at about 5-7 over. As it sits, I don't start until 11 over, unless it's a construction zone and people are working, then it starts at about 7 over, and that is for the worker's safety.


As to the technique, if an officer has done it long enough, he/she will wait for the car they want and then hit it. Their eyes will tell them which car(s) is speeding and when to nail it. Will it alert other detectors around? Yep. But then again, chances are, he/she has already locked the vehicle they were wanting anyway. So those detectors are still fairly useless, IMHO, as the officer wasn't gunning from them anyway.

[Droid6]

Originally Posted by c_LoW29

Speeding is not Dangerous! I would like to slap whomever gave you your license.

You always do exactly the speed limit? I bet you don't. Take your violent nonsense comments elsewhere please.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by Rogue Leader

I just wanna get back to $2000 for a freekin radar detector. I've had a LOT of tickets over the past 14 years of driving, to the point that I had to get a lawyer, and I STILL don't think I spent a total of $2000 on tickets.

Forget the detector and eat the ticket.

why?..they ARE such fun what with the lights,and the little noises they make!
i got an old "passport"..it detects door openers,and it actually detects k band too!..it's from the 80"s..such fun!..it ain't worth a s**t,but i love to have it on and with me!..i love the sound it makes when you turn it on for the first time in the car!..it goes "screeeeee!""my oh my!..better than sex!..i love it!..(w.t.f!)

[Rcfiddy1]

Originally Posted by mrray13

Case in point, in Illinois the fine for speeding from 1mph to 20mph over is the same, $120, no construction zone or other charges. That's it. No court costs or other fees, unless you choose court supervision. (of course other jurisdictions might apply things) If I was sent out purposely to generate revenue only, I would start writing at about 5-7 over. As it sits, I don't start until 11 over, unless it's a construction zone and people are working, then it starts at about 7 over, and that is for the worker's safety.


As to the technique, if an officer has done it long enough, he/she will wait for the car they want and then hit it. Their eyes will tell them which car(s) is speeding and when to nail it. Will it alert other detectors around? Yep. But then again, chances are, he/she has already locked the vehicle they were wanting anyway. So those detectors are still fairly useless, IMHO, as the officer wasn't gunning from them anyway.

Well, I have my Valentine just for heads up. They DO give tix out for 2+mph over around here. The damn townships make the speed limit go from 50 to 55 and put up signs for SAFE CORRIDOR. Thats Double the fine in those areas. REVENUE, thats all it is. Is it the LEOs fault, NO. They are earning a paycheck. My wife just got a ticket for 10 over limit here and she has to goto court to try and get fine lowered. After fees and tix it'll be around 600 bux. All this because she tried to merge in front of a truck and she gassed it. Damn nissan cant get out of its own way but she got a speeding ticket. Merry Xmas the Leo said......LOL

[Darth_Emma]

Originally Posted by SSOOCH

Um..don't speed. It's dangerous.

Just a suggestion.

[nl12]

I used to have a V1, if laser went off I stood on the brakes, never got a ticket like that.

[xxlbeerz]

I could get out of a bunch of tickets with $2k...

[passingby]

Originally Posted by scythezo6

Raqball,
1st please do not tell me to go "educate [my]self." I have a bachelors degree, a masters and I am currently working on a Ph.D... all in science.

With all due respect, while you may understand the properties of light, you apparently don't understand how LIDAR is utilized by police speed detection devices.

I have taught several undergraduate physics, biology and chemistry undergraduate courses and labs... So I'm not an expert but I have a better understanding than most people outside of Radar engineers.

Police LIDAR guns have a 904nm pulse of light, between 100-300 pulses per second. The LIDAR gun sends out the pulse and does edge detection of the reflection and determines distance, then sends another pulse and calculates the time differential to determine speed. Now, if that's all it does, you're assumptions would be correct, but that's not all it does.

Courts require judicial notice for a detection device to be considered valid for citations. The very wide beam, the gun is often held in a hand that no matter how steady is going to move the beam significantly once its several hundred feet out, and there are multiple objects which can potentially reflect the pulses --- all these contribute those police LIDAR guns not using just a couple of pulses in order to stand up in court. This is because one pulse might hit the headlight, the other might hit the center mass of the grill, a reflection off a road side, another car, or a single pulse might return multiple reflections from different objects. So, they must receive several dozen consecutive "good" returns to calculate the speed. This is why LIDAR guns can take a quarter of a second to a second or more to get a reading.

^^^
That is their weakness.

When LIDAR jammer sees the first pulse, it still has a boat load of time (for a CPU) to respond before the 2nd comes in. It takes several pulses to determine the pulse rate and identify the LIDAR gun but the jammer isn't passively operating even at this point. The LIDAR jammer has already fired its IR LEDs (or laser diode if you have a Laser Intercept) in response. It does this at offset of a few dozen NS from the pulse it received - sort of a generic jam. The LIDAR gun, in effect, things it "sees" two reflections at two different distances and tosses it out of its sampling pool. Once the jammer has identified the LIDAR gun - again, long before the LIDAR gun has sent enough pulses to meet the standards of judicial notice - it may, depending on the gun identified, switch to a different methodology such as multiple return pulses for each pulse it receives.

LIDAR countermeasures have been proven to work. The military uses them, but in a much more sophisticated way.

2nd!
Read my post carefully, I didnt say a jammer/shifter was illegal.
I said

Meaning if you were somehow able to make your car 100% undetectable to lasers I'm pretty sure the Govt. would be all over you in a heartbeat.

Nope, for practical purposes you cannot interfere with a light beam with another, while you can easily interfere with radar. That's why the FCC does not allow radar jamming, but the FDA (which regulates lasers) does not prohibit LIDAR jamming - so long as the output is eye safe.

I dont want to get into all the nerdy details about electromagnetism and its detection, so Ill leave it at that.

I don't know how shifters work but Im 100% sure that they are not making your car 100% undetectable. The only way I know of being able to beat laser is to either absorb it, physically block it or deflect/diffract it. I dont believe shifters do either, but then again I dont know how they work.

Now you know.

[The 2010 Sin]

I got pulled over for radar at 146 in a 55. It was 4:30am and I was sober without a car in sight.. He wrote me for reckless driving and 70 in a 55.. still had to take the dang class and pay the $200 ticket but at least he wasnt a total tool about me going so fast on an empty highway. Im just glad he caught me at max 146! HAHAHA! Some cops these days are pretty darn cool.. Because like us, some of them have toys too and want to play. As long as it's not endangering others then they're usually pretty cool about it. Bobbing and weaving in 5 o'clock traffic.. now thats just dangerous for families and drivers that arent playing the awareness game driving around you.

[Zach@ExtremePerformance]

Robbie, just saw this. There are some posts on here about placement of the jammer heads that are spot on. Depending on WHERE in S. Fla you are, come see us in Palm City. We have our own radar and laser guns, and can check the system out for you (we're an authorized Escort dealer) and make adjustments to the install if necessary.

Plus our GM Mastertech Tyler can make it even faster...*L* And I can iron out the shortcomings in the audio system.