Rented a Mustang this weekend...

[jordan 572]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

So now people are using rental cars as comparison cars?

I guess why is their thread after thread of these pointless topics?

[Dreamer2005]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

So now people are using rental cars as comparison cars?

I think only those that are insecure about their own car. Seeing more and more of this type threads since the 2011 Mustang GT came out. Last year, in Mustang forums, panic everywhere...... 2010 Camaro SS kicking their butts. Now 5.0 is back and kicking the SS butt again. It is all good.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Performance numbers aren't opinions.

But yes, alot of other things are. Color, looks, interior appearence, wheels, etc. But performance numbers (from reputable sources) are facts, not opinions.

Oh, definatly, this is true, but alot of it is attacking interior, the Mustangs rear end, the Camaros booty, etc. And who gets the most compliments (sorry i still find hilarious).

[klapper]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

.... I smoke legally and responsibly. I also qualified and was accepted by American Mensa while high for a portion of the test, so your point is hardly valid....Let's keep the personal issues out of it and talk facts. Thanks.

Hardly worth commenting on, this is a car blog after all, but the statistics pretty clearly show academic performance declines with increasing pot use. Could be you invented cold fusion while stoned, or maybe you just thought you did. In any case this is the internet so if you want to flaunt your progressive lifestyle get used to the odd negative comment; i.e. get a thicker skin.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Right. So your basis for comparison of a '11 mustang and '11 camaro is a single lap race between two cars, one being a 2010 mustang, with roll cages, coilovers, a 100rwhp deficit and different drivers? Do you not think the mustang would have won with an extra 100rwhp, or even 50rwhp? They're not excuses if they make your argument irrelevant. If the IRS is always better than SRA then why was the mustang three tenths slower with over 100rwhp less? Sorry, I just fail to see how that supports your position or how it's even relevant to reference this "comprehensive comparison" regarding stock 2011 mustang vs stock camaro ss. The mustang has a completely different drivetrain and the cars are far from stock.

If I'm not mistaken, pedders ran a privately owned 5.0 vs a privately owned ss and the 5.0 laid down the faster lap. I believe it was an L99, but if you want facts, that is a much more relevant comparison than two built track cars.

The weight is what will make the biggest difference.

So how is your failure to see how it's relevant my problem? I could care less about your limitations. You were challenging everyone on facts.

Here's another fact you'll find irrelevant; Who won the majority of the side-by-side quarter mile tests, the 2010 Camaro or the 2011 Mustang?

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Here's another fact you'll find irrelevant; Who won the majority of the side-by-side quarter mile tests, the 2010 Camaro or the 2011 Mustang?

Well, MotorTrend had the Mustang winning. InsideLine had one test where the Mustang trapped at 13.3, and another that was 13.0 flat. So..when it comes to I.L. you could take the slower or faster time.

TheSmokingTire had the Mustang winning..soo...

Thats not too much of a leg to stand on.

[carguy_z28]

lol not to mention edmonds . com had stang ahead, one mag off C&d had ss ahead but video shotout had 5.0... so far the 5.0 wins everytime...

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Well, MotorTrend had the Mustang winning. InsideLine had one test where the Mustang trapped at 13.3, and another that was 13.0 flat. So..when it comes to I.L. you could take the slower or faster time.

TheSmokingTire had the Mustang winning..soo...

Thats not too much of a leg to stand on.

I.L. also had the Camaro with a better skidpad and slalom. Funny how the numbers rarely back up what the Mustang trolls claim to be facts.

And you "forgot" Car and Driver.

Edit - Anywho, this is old ground most of us have been over. Let's not talk about facts unless they are actually facts.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

So how is your failure to see how it's relevant my problem? I could care less about your limitations. You were challenging everyone on facts.

Here's another fact you'll find irrelevant; Who won the majority of the side-by-side quarter mile tests, the 2010 Camaro or the 2011 Mustang?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2010/10/...et-more-power/

Gm authority seems to think the mustang is faster in the 1/4 and according to them, so does GM.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2010/10/...et-more-power/

Gm authority seems to think the mustang is faster in the 1/4 and according to them, so does GM.

Sorry, rumors (second or third-hand, at that) don't help you back up your statement of fact.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by 2010-1SS-IBM

Sorry, rumors (second or third-hand, at that) don't help you back up your statement of fact.

What would you like then? Every test using the mustang with summer tires showing better stats, professional drivers saying the mustang handles better in stock form, pedders doing the same test you so willingly volunteered with actual stock vehicles and having the mustang ahead? What else do you need exactly, a statement from the president? You're right though, we should probably defer to tests of vehicles with a 100+rwhp deficit, roll cages and coil-overs, one of which is not even the car being discussed because that really shows the true handling ability of the stock cars

You never answered my question. What do you think the camaro would have run at gingerman with 440rwhp (what the mustang was putting down) rather than nearly 560rwhp? Do you honestly think it wouldn't have been 0.3+ slower without the extra 100rwhp? Get real man.

Car A has a p/w ratio of 6.9:1

Car B has a p/w ratio of 8.1:1

Car A beats car B by .3s in a lap at gingerman. Which car handles better? Logic says car B, you say otherwise. You can't argue with logic, but for some reason you continue.

As for 1/4 mile times, the 5.0 has already bested the fastest ever fifth gen 1/4 on multiple occasions in both automatic and manual form and the car has been out for a full year less. In fact, it happened in the first TWO WEEKS of mustang production. Some of the mags have the camaro winning because it is VERY close, but every video we have of the two being lined up next to each other and run at the same time shows the mustang winning. Even the magazines that have the camaro winning in comparisons have run faster times in the 5.0 than the camaro overall. You really don't have much of an argument my ridiculously bias friend. Go ask NHRA stocker which car is slightly faster in the 1/4 with equal drivers. I'm sure he will set you straight. That's probably just a rumor though right? Your cherry-picked sources of built race cars with huge power deficits and a few ragazine reviews totally outweighs real world results and every heads up race we have seen thus far right? By the way, the mustang running faster 1/4 times is hardly a rumor, it's a fact supported by timeslips, videos, etc. The rumor is that the camaro is getting more power, not the FACT that the mustang is running faster 1/4s.

[2011 5.0]

2011 GT FTW.
That's all I'm gonna say.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

What would you like then? Every test using the mustang with summer tires showing better stats, professional drivers saying the mustang handles better in stock form, pedders doing the same test you so willingly volunteered with actual stock vehicles and having the mustang ahead? What else do you need exactly, a statement from the president? You're right though, we should probably defer to tests of vehicles with a 100+rwhp deficit, roll cages and coil-overs, one of which is not even the car being discussed because that really shows the true handling ability of the stock cars

You never answered my question. What do you think the camaro would have run at gingerman with 440rwhp (what the mustang was putting down) rather than nearly 560rwhp? Do you honestly think it wouldn't have been 0.3+ slower without the extra 100rwhp? Get real man.

Car A has a p/w ratio of 6.9:1

Car B has a p/w ratio of 8.1:1

Car A beats car B by .3s in a lap at gingerman. Which car handles better? Logic says car B, you say otherwise. You can't argue with logic, but for some reason you continue.

As for 1/4 mile times, the 5.0 has already bested the fastest ever fifth gen 1/4 on multiple occasions in both automatic and manual form and the car has been out for a full year less. In fact, it happened in the first TWO WEEKS of mustang production. Some of the mags have the camaro winning because it is VERY close, but every video we have of the two being lined up next to each other and run at the same time shows the mustang winning. Even the magazines that have the camaro winning in comparisons have run faster times in the 5.0 than the camaro overall. You really don't have much of an argument my ridiculously bias friend. Go ask NHRA stocker which car is slightly faster in the 1/4 with equal drivers. I'm sure he will set you straight. That's probably just a rumor though right? Your cherry-picked sources of built race cars with huge power deficits and a few ragazine reviews totally outweighs real world results and every heads up race we have seen thus far right?

Did you ignore the actual thread regarding the pedders test and replies from pedders themselves?

The mustang braked quicker (something u didnt mention in your LOGIC filled post) and was faster in a strait line than the camaro according to pedders. Yet the camaro pulled better lap times.

What about the large disparity in skid pad? 1.4x to 1.2x...u ignored that also in your logic filled post?

The camaros optimized IRS was simply better than the mustangs optimized SRA.

Go read the thread.

And why is this surprising?...IRS is the better choice for handling performance. Corvette, Porsche, Viper you name it have all known this for years. Unless you think one solid axle moving as one can somehow outperform two separate moving independently (obviously with all other things being equal such as both cars are the same weight and same power same braking etc the IRS will win). Explain that with some logic....

BTW...when has a bone stock 11 mustang run better than 12.58 on multiple occasions? I knew of one 12.57 and it was an auto. A nut hair difference lol. If the LS3 was an auto I am sure it may have gone a bit quicker as well...but we dont have that luxury unfortunately.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

What would you like then? Every test using the mustang with summer tires showing better stats, professional drivers saying the mustang handles better in stock form, pedders doing the same test you so willingly volunteered with actual stock vehicles and having the mustang ahead? What else do you need exactly, a statement from the president? You're right though, we should probably defer to tests of vehicles with a 100+rwhp deficit, roll cages and coil-overs, one of which is not even the car being discussed because that really shows the true handling ability of the stock cars

You never answered my question. What do you think the camaro would have run at gingerman with 440rwhp (what the mustang was putting down) rather than nearly 560rwhp? Do you honestly think it wouldn't have been 0.3+ slower without the extra 100rwhp? Get real man.

Car A has a p/w ratio of 6.9:1

Car B has a p/w ratio of 8.1:1

Car A beats car B by .3s in a lap at gingerman. Which car handles better? Logic says car B, you say otherwise. You can't argue with logic, but for some reason you continue.

As for 1/4 mile times, the 5.0 has already bested the fastest ever fifth gen 1/4 on multiple occasions in both automatic and manual form and the car has been out for a full year less. In fact, it happened in the first TWO WEEKS of mustang production. Some of the mags have the camaro winning because it is VERY close, but every video we have of the two being lined up next to each other and run at the same time shows the mustang winning. Even the magazines that have the camaro winning in comparisons have run faster times in the 5.0 than the camaro overall. You really don't have much of an argument my ridiculously bias friend. Go ask NHRA stocker which car is slightly faster in the 1/4 with equal drivers. I'm sure he will set you straight. That's probably just a rumor though right? Your cherry-picked sources of built race cars with huge power deficits and a few ragazine reviews totally outweighs real world results and every heads up race we have seen thus far right? By the way, the mustang running faster 1/4 times is hardly a rumor, it's a fact supported by timeslips, videos, etc. The rumor is that the camaro is getting more power, not the FACT that the mustang is running faster 1/4s.

Blah blah blah. Pedders already stated they had more HP in the Camaro to make up for the weight difference. More HP doesn't affect the handling, but it does affect the lap times. I believe Pedders over you. For one thing, they drive both cars.

Keep fighting hard to "prove" the Mustang is better. I love it when you're proven wrong by simple side-by-side runs.

Edit - I'm really tired of this bickering. Just go to another forum, will ya? No Camaro owner here is going to agree with you that the Mustang is faster and better handling. Sorry troll.