Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[carguy_z28]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

so lets talk real numbers here, not "this car makes x hp, so it should outrun this car that makes y hp"...because thats not always how things work out in real life.

lets look at your own boards numbers as an example, so theres no bias.

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013

according to this list, real people with real times. fastest being a 12.58. impressive no doubt. however, the majority of these times are in the 13's.

bone stock 2010 GT's run mid 13's all day. this is with the 100 hp deficit.

now, is the SS capable of running mid 12's stock? this list above says yes. but thats not whats going to be common. the low to mid 13s is what is common.

thats the great thing about bench racing....no matter what the fastest car is the one that YOU want it to be, because nobodys actually doing any racing.

I agree. People thing that the 100HP deficit on the stang is enough to ALWAYS make it lose the race..WRONG!!! The solid rear axel is a HUGE advantage to the stang in a straight line race, as is the 260LBS less weight, look at most peoples '60 times, average from what I seen, ( may NOT be common ) is 1.8 to 1.9, Most I see in the SS ( in person and may NOT be common ) is a 2.10 to 2.20, and they are running mid to low 13's, now with that ill say 'bad" of a '60 for time, thats a quick and decent number, but the stangs I seen, and my 2010 I had ran a 13.53 at 107 MPH was an average to good time, so yes, the camaro is faster USUALLY, but is not always.... so the point is, yes the stang can beat a camaro in a race, but the faster/longer distance the race is, the more of an edge the camaro has,

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by carguy_z28

I agree. People thing that the 100HP deficit on the stang is enough to ALWAYS make it lose the race..WRONG!!! The solid rear axel is a HUGE advantage to the stang in a straight line race, as is the 260LBS less weight, look at most peoples '60 times, average from what I seen, ( may NOT be common ) is 1.8 to 1.9, Most I see in the SS ( in person and may NOT be common ) is a 2.10 to 2.20, and they are running mid to low 13's, now with that ill say 'bad" of a '60 for time, thats a quick and decent number, but the stangs I seen, and my 2010 I had ran a 13.53 at 107 MPH was an average to good time, so yes, the camaro is faster USUALLY, but is not always.... so the point is, yes the stang can beat a camaro in a race, but the faster/longer distance the race is, the more of an edge the camaro has,

whats the average rwhp in a Auto SS?

in my 2005 GT with an auto it put down exactly 280 rwhp. that was with a cold air, some exhaust.
it went a best of 13.1.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by carguy_z28

I agree. People thing that the 100HP deficit on the stang is enough to ALWAYS make it lose the race..WRONG!!! The solid rear axel is a HUGE advantage to the stang in a straight line race, as is the 260LBS less weight, look at most peoples '60 times, average from what I seen, ( may NOT be common ) is 1.8 to 1.9, Most I see in the SS ( in person and may NOT be common ) is a 2.10 to 2.20, and they are running mid to low 13's, now with that ill say 'bad" of a '60 for time, thats a quick and decent number, but the stangs I seen, and my 2010 I had ran a 13.53 at 107 MPH was an average to good time, so yes, the camaro is faster USUALLY, but is not always.... so the point is, yes the stang can beat a camaro in a race, but the faster/longer distance the race is, the more of an edge the camaro has,

YES,......WITH A GARBAGE DRIVER.

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

YES,......WITH A GARBAGE DRIVER.

i see your sig says you have over 460 rwhp. thats good. what kind of times are you seeing?

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

whats the average rwhp in a Auto SS?

in my 2005 GT with an auto it put down exactly 280 rwhp. that was with a cold air, some exhaust.
it went a best of 13.1.

I believe it is 330-340.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

i see your sig says you have over 460 rwhp. thats good. what kind of times are you seeing?

That's the thing, I haven't even taken it to the track once! I get invited all the time to goto the track,.....but at the time it just didn't interest me. But I am going to finally go next year in 2011 after I get my SC.

I don't even know what my car will run stock, I had it dyno'd and put down high numbers for a L99(355rwhp). But in all my encounters I've had with 2010 GTs, Challengers, Charger SRTs, I never lost. Never ran into a 5.0 though, would have lost. Although, I wasn't at a track it was on a closed off area,....and more money lol. So I was happy with my L99s stock performance,....for a while. Once I got money it burned my hands and went straight into the car.

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by a_Username

I believe it is 330-340.

so i was running a time that put me right in the pack with the stock SS's even with a 50-70 rwhp deficit.

this is what i mean. its not always about the rwhp numbers.

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

That's the thing, I haven't even taken it to the track once! I get invited all the time to goto the track,.....but at the time it just didn't interest me. But I am going to finally go next year in 2011 after I get my SC.

I don't even know what my car will run stock, I had it dyno'd and put down high numbers for a L99(355rwhp). But in all my encounters I've had with 2010 GTs, Challengers, Charger SRTs, I never lost. Never ran into a 5.0 though, would have lost. Although, I wasn't at a track it was on a closed off area,....and more money lol.

i have a question then.

you mentioned that the camaros that carguy_Z28 talked about had to have been "garbage drivers".
how do you know you're not a garbage driver too? and i always thought when one has a self shifting transmission, that kind of takes the driver out of the equation?

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

so i was running a time that put me right in the pack with the stock SS's even with a 50-70 rwhp deficit.

this is what i mean. its not always about the rwhp numbers.

Yeah, I understand what your saying, but YOUR NUMBERS, as well as the numbers of other drivers, is dependent upon the conditions you ran in at that time. Some days you may produce average times,......other days if conditions are ideal, your time may improve,... if you don't suck at driving of course. Just saying, a SS COULD lose to a 2010 GT if the driver was bad, but in most instances than not, the SS will always outrun that GT unless the SS has a horrible driver.

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

Yeah, I understand what your saying, but YOUR NUMBERS, as well as the numbers of other drivers, is dependent upon the conditions you ran in at that time. Some days you may produce average times,......other days if conditions are ideal, your time may improve,... if you don't suck at driving of course. Just saying, a SS COULD lose to a 2010 GT if the driver was bad, but in most instances than not, the SS will always outrun that GT unless the SS has a horrible driver.

thats 100% true. but that applies in ANY race, not just mustangs and camaros.

back when i used to do...a lot of street racing, i always hated racing the auto guys, because theyre generally faster. the stick crowd always thought they were "good drivers" when the truth was they sucked. not saying i was this awesome gear banger, but i could pound a tranny pretty well.

but thats the thing nobody asks, "if i have a 2010 GT and i race a guy in a 2010 SS with a horrible/good driver will i win?"
there are just certain races where you have to know you beat the driver and not the car.

if i raced a new camaro SS and beat it down, im not ignorant enough to think that i beat the car that bad...it was the guy behind the wheel.
could i say i beat an SS? absolutely. but im smart enough to know the difference.
i think thats the problem with a lot of ppl these days...they DONT know the difference.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

so i was running a time that put me right in the pack with the stock SS's even with a 50-70 rwhp deficit.

this is what i mean. its not always about the rwhp numbers.

An exhaust and cold air? There was someone who ran a 12.5 with a tuned-only L99. So I really don't see your point here. Also, that also includes you having nearly a 400lb weight advantage and gearing advantage.

[KungFuHamster]

Originally Posted by a_Username

An exhaust and cold air? There was someone who ran a 12.5 with a tuned-only L99. So I really don't see your point here.

the point?
youre talking about one car that did that. do most tuned only L-99 cars run that number? not according to the list on here that i linked earlier.

and low 13s in a car with a that has a tiny lil 281 ci motor with just a couple of breathing improvements is pretty damn good. i would expect a lot more if the car had a motor that displaced 6 whole liters.

[carguy_z28]

Originally Posted by a_Username

An exhaust and cold air? There was someone who ran a 12.5 with a tuned-only L99. So I really don't see your point here. Also, that also includes you having nearly a 400lb weight advantage and gearing advantage.

why did he have a gearing advantage? Ford come factory with 3.55's and 3.73's... so thats not considered a "mod" Id like to see a tuned only L99 go 12.5... not saying its not possible, but the SS I raced a couple weeks ago, had a CAI tune and DR's and he's a high 12 second car, and he really IS a pro driver too... auto or not, he is a above average driver by any books, was pulling 1.7 '60 add day on a shitty track...

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by KungFuHamster

the point?
youre talking about one car that did that. do most tuned only L-99 cars run that number? not according to the list on here that i linked earlier.

and low 13s in a car with a that has a tiny lil 281 ci motor with just a couple of breathing improvements is pretty damn good. i would expect a lot more if the car had a motor that displaced 6 whole liters.

You're also one car that did that, just as it has been two LS3 cars that have basically ran 12.5.

Your low 13s car with a tiny lil 281 ci motor has a ~400lb weight, gear, and SRA advantage. It's all relative, which is why these mod v. mod debates are really pointless. To me, it's all about the drive.