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SGOS252382 · 11-06-2010, 08:55 AM

Stock vs Stock

(fastest -stock- Camaro SS)
12.58 @ 110 mph (LS3 M6)
12.86 @ 108 mph (L99 A6)

So in stock form, the LS3 M6 is a faster car with a skilled driver. But the key words are "skilled driver."

But with an average driver (like the majority of the Camaro owners behind the wheel), the L99 A6 will win most drag races (stock vs stock), because its much easier to launch and drive down the track.

Once you start modding (just a couple basic mods), the advantage starts to move towards the L99 A6. Most of these
L99 A6s only have a few mods.

1. Walkermuffler - 11.71 @ 114.07 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune, 17'' wheels, Skinnies, Drag Radials), (LS3, M6) # 294
2. Number_9 - 11.78 @ 117.49 mph, (LT, CAI, Exhaust, T-stat, Gears, Tune), (L99, A6) # 632
3. OrangeChevy - 11.83 @ 116 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, 18'' wheels, Skinnies, DRs), (LS3, M6) # 24
4. GMRULZ - 12.22 @ 113.29 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6), (DA -648 ft.) # 178
5. RedJewel2SS - 12.23 @ 113.18 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, 104 octane, Tune), (L99, A6) #316
6. Wacker - 12.33 @ 111.14 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, Gears, DRs, Tune), (L99, A6) # 536
7. Mercuryman96 - 12.35 @ 113.12 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, DRs), (LS3, M6) # 490
8. Grandpa - 12.48 @ 111.45 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6) # 575
9. nyny69 - 12.49 @ 111.14 mph, (LT, Exhaust, Ported TB, Tune), (L99 A6)
10. NHSS - 12.53 @ 111.73 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), () # 331

Scott@Bjorn3D · 11-06-2010, 09:16 AM

I have not tuned mine yet but I have not had anything beat me off the line or to the speed limit. If you use the paddle shifters the car is even more fun. I can't wait till I get either enough of my car paid off or don't care about the warranty anymore to tune her. She will just be that much better.

I have added a CAI Industries intake and cut out the resonator and put in a X-Pipe.

CFD · 11-06-2010, 09:32 AM

I am 55 yrs old and being in the auto industry I have driven more manuals than most couls imagine, that being said I truly love my L99. Those who are like me and run one of my shifters with paddle shifter controls have the best of both worlds effortless shifting with complete control, can't get much better than that.

Mr Twisty · 11-06-2010, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rage

Its been stated many times... Manual drivers have bigger penises, get more women and live a better quality of life

Then manual=respect and control, auto=anyone(including my wife, mainly why I went manual

) can drive

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightsoutSS

Anyone can hop in a car, hammer the pedal, and go. It takes a true driver to pilot a manual. I don't even give props to guys with autos that beat me, because "they" didn't beat me, the guys that built their car did. Learn how to drive a manual well and you get more respect in my book.

Have you guys ever driven a non-syncro'd gearbox? These tr6060's are barely a step above what you claim to be a girly trans auto.

Have your manual rebuilt without syncro's and drive it daily... till then you're just coal calling kettle black.... tr6060sissy box.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFD

I am 55 yrs old and being in the auto industry I have driven more manuals than most couls imagine, that being said I truly love my L99. Those who are like me and run one of my shifters with paddle shifter controls have the best of both worlds effortless shifting with complete control, can't get much better than that.

Well said

NewGen · 11-06-2010, 01:05 PM

I find it quite funny how ppl constantly talk about an auto car... regardless of what tranny it is... its still fast and if you lose you just lose... Manual or auto... Point Blank Period

cybercoaster · 11-06-2010, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlingShot

The next one I get will be an Auto for sure. They are fast as hell off the line because of the gearing. And after a tune forget about it, the LS3 won't touch it ... IMO

And after putting in 3.73 - sweeeeeeeeeet

axis · 11-06-2010, 01:12 PM

Here we go again. Another newb with the same question and all the newbs that weren't around for the last thread get to post the same BS that was in all the other threads.

SuperH · 11-06-2010, 01:13 PM

Not as many people can drive manuals, so they are harder to carjack...

I'd had practically zilch manual experience until I bought this car. 1700 miles later, I'm rev matching, on the clutch minimally, and shifting is smooth as butter.

I killed it seven times on the way home (lots of uphill...)

For the first week, I killed it once per day.

Now, four weeks later, driving is no problem.

I love my standard!

CFD · 11-06-2010, 01:36 PM

Not to be disrespectful or to make light of the amazing acomplishment some have achieved by mastering the art of driving a manual (by the way something everyones sister mother and grandmother does now a days). Untill you have driven an early day muscle car with a "real clutch", big block and stone crusher trans. YOU do not know what it's like to drive a real manual car. And by the way for those who think if you drive a manual you have a bigger penis well let's say I could easily prove most of you wrong.

mbspeed · 11-06-2010, 02:17 PM

I don't understand you guys.. camaros come from the same place same line same car imo and i got a m6 just because my wife and friends can not drive it both camaros are = get m6 if you don't want everybody driving your car cuz everybody will want to drive it lol

blackknight · 11-06-2010, 02:21 PM

I got an auto because im not that good at driving stick. But I love my auto. Plenty fast for me.

MaddogZ28 · 11-06-2010, 02:25 PM

Whatever the performance advantages and disadvantages are between the cars is irrelevant. Manual is much more fun to drive. It gives you a better connection with the car. It makes you feel like you are driving an actual sports car.

Get the manual, you will not be disappointed. These cars are all about having fun, and an automatic is not fun.

CFD · 11-06-2010, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaddogZ28

Whatever the performance advantages and disadvantages are between the cars is irrelevant. Manual is much more fun to drive. It gives you a better connection with the car. It makes you feel like you are driving an actual sports car.

Get the manual, you will not be disappointed. These cars are all about having fun, and an automatic is not fun.

I 100% agree these cars are about having fun but I beg to differ in that an auto is not fun, I have driven "many" cars to compare with and my auto is fun. Believe me using tap shift on the shifter so you can shift under any circumstances gives you a level of "control" above that even of a manual. I guess most wouldn't know 'cause you haven't experienced it but those who have know what I mean.

greenrail · 11-06-2010, 03:01 PM

And so it goes.... Ad nauseum!

The bottom-line is they are both quick.

Whichever one you choose, you will like.

Ah, yes the old days... Rock crusher Muncies... " Hey buddy grind me a few pounds while you're at it!"

11-06-2010, 01:05 PM	#33
NewGen Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hammond, Louisiana Posts: 411	I find it quite funny how ppl constantly talk about an auto car... regardless of what tranny it is... its still fast and if you lose you just lose... Manual or auto... Point Blank Period __________________ Young Man wanting Big Power

11-06-2010, 01:12 PM	#35
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	Here we go again. Another newb with the same question and all the newbs that weren't around for the last thread get to post the same BS that was in all the other threads. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

11-06-2010, 02:21 PM	#39
blackknight Camaro Lover Drives: 2014 GMC Sierra 5.3L Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago 'Burbs Posts: 709	I got an auto because im not that good at driving stick. But I love my auto. Plenty fast for me. __________________ No Camaro right now. But I'll be back in one in a few years.

11-06-2010, 03:01 PM	#42
greenrail Comic Curmudgeon Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS-2010 VW CC Sport Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Near Chicago, IL Posts: 2,392	And so it goes.... Ad nauseum! The bottom-line is they are both quick. Whichever one you choose, you will like. Ah, yes the old days... Rock crusher Muncies... " Hey buddy grind me a few pounds while you're at it!" __________________ Member Illinois Camaro Club His Name is Rosie - "Speak Softly and Carry a Big Stick!" - If you know who said that, then you know the genesis of his name.

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11-06-2010, 08:55 AM	#29
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	Stock vs Stock (fastest -stock- Camaro SS) 12.58 @ 110 mph (LS3 M6) 12.86 @ 108 mph (L99 A6) So in stock form, the LS3 M6 is a faster car with a skilled driver. But the key words are "skilled driver." But with an average driver (like the majority of the Camaro owners behind the wheel), the L99 A6 will win most drag races (stock vs stock), because its much easier to launch and drive down the track. Once you start modding (just a couple basic mods), the advantage starts to move towards the L99 A6. Most of these L99 A6s only have a few mods. 1. Walkermuffler - 11.71 @ 114.07 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune, 17'' wheels, Skinnies, Drag Radials), (LS3, M6) # 294 2. Number_9 - 11.78 @ 117.49 mph, (LT, CAI, Exhaust, T-stat, Gears, Tune), (L99, A6) # 632 3. OrangeChevy - 11.83 @ 116 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, 18'' wheels, Skinnies, DRs), (LS3, M6) # 24 4. GMRULZ - 12.22 @ 113.29 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6), (DA -648 ft.) # 178 5. RedJewel2SS - 12.23 @ 113.18 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, 104 octane, Tune), (L99, A6) #316 6. Wacker - 12.33 @ 111.14 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, Gears, DRs, Tune), (L99, A6) # 536 7. Mercuryman96 - 12.35 @ 113.12 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, DRs), (LS3, M6) # 490 8. Grandpa - 12.48 @ 111.45 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6) # 575 9. nyny69 - 12.49 @ 111.14 mph, (LT, Exhaust, Ported TB, Tune), (L99 A6) 10. NHSS - 12.53 @ 111.73 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), () # 331

11-06-2010, 09:16 AM	#30
Scott@Bjorn3D Drives: Kami, 2013 2SS LS3 Luvin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eufaula, Alabama Posts: 6,427	I have not tuned mine yet but I have not had anything beat me off the line or to the speed limit. If you use the paddle shifters the car is even more fun. I can't wait till I get either enough of my car paid off or don't care about the warranty anymore to tune her. She will just be that much better. I have added a CAI Industries intake and cut out the resonator and put in a X-Pipe.

11-06-2010, 09:32 AM	#31
CFD Drives: 2SS/RS L99 BLACK Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Franklin , MA Posts: 6,696	I am 55 yrs old and being in the auto industry I have driven more manuals than most couls imagine, that being said I truly love my L99. Those who are like me and run one of my shifters with paddle shifter controls have the best of both worlds effortless shifting with complete control, can't get much better than that.

11-06-2010, 01:13 PM	#36
SuperH Synergized Drives: 2011 SGM M6 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 299 View My Garage	Not as many people can drive manuals, so they are harder to carjack... I'd had practically zilch manual experience until I bought this car. 1700 miles later, I'm rev matching, on the clutch minimally, and shifting is smooth as butter. I killed it seven times on the way home (lots of uphill...) For the first week, I killed it once per day. Now, four weeks later, driving is no problem. I love my standard!

11-06-2010, 01:36 PM	#37
CFD Drives: 2SS/RS L99 BLACK Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Franklin , MA Posts: 6,696	Not to be disrespectful or to make light of the amazing acomplishment some have achieved by mastering the art of driving a manual (by the way something everyones sister mother and grandmother does now a days). Untill you have driven an early day muscle car with a "real clutch", big block and stone crusher trans. YOU do not know what it's like to drive a real manual car. And by the way for those who think if you drive a manual you have a bigger penis well let's say I could easily prove most of you wrong.

11-06-2010, 02:17 PM	#38
mbspeed Drives: 2015 CAMARO SS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: mass Posts: 145	I don't understand you guys.. camaros come from the same place same line same car imo and i got a m6 just because my wife and friends can not drive it both camaros are = get m6 if you don't want everybody driving your car cuz everybody will want to drive it lol

11-06-2010, 02:25 PM	#40
MaddogZ28 Drives: 2002 Camaro Z28, 2011 SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 219	Whatever the performance advantages and disadvantages are between the cars is irrelevant. Manual is much more fun to drive. It gives you a better connection with the car. It makes you feel like you are driving an actual sports car. Get the manual, you will not be disappointed. These cars are all about having fun, and an automatic is not fun.