Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by Mike-D

I know that Im a noob but aren't we talking about an NA SS and a FI Cobra. Not really apples to apples in my opinon.

But an 03-04 stock Cobra would still be stock vs stock...

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

There's always going to be differences though. If you add a supercharger to the Camaro, would it be fair? Not really, since it would be making substantially more power. Alright, so let both of them make the same power. Well, now its unfair because the Cobra weighs less. So add ballast to it. Well, now the Camaro hooks better because its got bigger tires. So change that too. And the gearing is different, so even that up too. You can keep going on and on and on until each one is identical ... but then its no longer any fun because you aren't comparing cars, you'd be comparing drivers.

You're right, in a sense. The 03-04 Cobra is a 4.6l with a blower. The 5th Gen SS is a 6.3l n/a. It pretty much evens out. If you add a blower to the SS, you should drop a blown 427 into the Terminator to even it up, thus proving your theory correct. The OP's question was in reference to a stock vs stock race though...

[Mike-D]

Not to argue, I see both of your point's. But that would be like calling a ZR-1 "Stock" yes. I know that it comes from a showroom... but that thing is damn near a race car. Maybe I'm just bias though lol.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Mike-D

Not to argue, I see both of your point's. But that would be like calling a ZR-1 "Stock" yes. I know that it comes from a showroom... but that thing is damn near a race car. Maybe I'm just bias though lol.

So because it's fast it's not stock? That's dumb. . . stock is stock. . .

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

You're right, in a sense. The 03-04 Cobra is a 4.6l with a blower. The 5th Gen SS is a 6.3l n/a. It pretty much evens out. If you add a blower to the SS, you should drop a blown 427 into the Terminator to even it up, thus proving your theory correct. The OP's question was in reference to a stock vs stock race though...

its not 6.3 liters. 6.2

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Mike-D

Not to argue, I see both of your point's. But that would be like calling a ZR-1 "Stock" yes. I know that it comes from a showroom... but that thing is damn near a race car. Maybe I'm just bias though lol.

When it comes like that from the dealer, its stock. What definition of stock are you going by?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Capthowdy

on the Muscle car show on SPIKE tv they dynoed the coyote motor stock at 460 hp......

I don't believe they had all the driven accessories on it (if any) or a full exhaust, which makes a fairly big difference. I think I recall the LS3 being around 480 hp under similar conditions.

[Mike-D]

So because it's fast it's not stock? That's dumb. . . stock is stock. . .

You're putting words in my mouth. I understand stock is stock.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by steeleshark2

From real world, the average 5.0 has been dynoing between 360 to 375rwhp stock when again done in the correct gear. Early, the shops dynoed in 4th gear which messed the numbers up until they realized the 1 to 1 ratio for that car is 5th. Some google searching will show this and of course people calling them out on it.

Also, I could be wrong about the 4.10s, I will check.

more like 370-380rwhp stock for the 5.0 and dynoing it in 4th in the Mustang usually yields LOWER results than 5th so take that for what its worth. Ive seen headers/tuned 5.0's @ 435rwhp btw so this should be a very close race.

typically a 5.0 and LS3 put down the same numbers stock with a lil bit torque advantage for the LS3 but the Mustang still makes more average torque when you factor in torque multiplication the gearing provides.


Also, some of the fastest runs for the 5.0 have been with the stock 3.31's and an auto stock Mustang has even shown that it is capable of trapping 115+ MPH!!!

[28.]

There are already folks running high 11s with full exhaust, 3:73s(factory),CAI, and tune with stock tires.. And yea as far as what he's adding, he should get results in the 420/430 range.. Good luck and keep us posted should be a nail biter...

[steeleshark2]

Originally Posted by 28.

There are already folks running high 11s with full exhaust, 3:73s(factory),CAI, and tune with stock tires.. And yea as far as what he's adding, he should get results in the 420/430 range.. Good luck and keep us posted should be a nail biter...

Also dont forget he is probably 1000ft+ altitude. I dont think this mustang will dyno that high.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by steeleshark2

Also dont forget he is probably 1000ft+ altitude. I dont think this mustang will dyno that high.

Altitude will have a very small effect in Michigan. . . Assuming the tunes are of similar quality and aggressiveness, the ls3 and 5.0 should dyno similarly hp wise. Torque wise the ls3 will maintain an advantage.

[assasinator]

the two motor are about 20 crank hp apart. driveline losses probably hurt the camaro's rear wheel numbers.

OP get better tires and you'll win.


im about to take my summer tires off. they are dangerous in the cold. they act more like teflon than rubber, below 40 degrees. if you have to stop quickly they won't in the cold.

[JS]

I hate to burst everyones bubble but my buddies 2011 GT just went 12.30's@114 CAI and a Tune....A6/3.15's ON STREET TIRES....


These 2011's are the real deal, its still a ford so I cant bring myself to buy one but they are fast....