Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I didn't say it was odd...what I was doing was backing the claim that the Cobra is a high 12 second car. What I also pointed out was on paper, I should have put a good beat down on him but didn't. Races are not won on paper, on a bench or a forum...they are won on the street or the track, where anything can and will happen.

And all I'm saying is that what you described is supposed to happen, nothing out of the ordinary there. I just get a laugh out of how loosely these descriptives like "beat down" and "bus lengths" are thrown around. I'm no bench racer, don't have the time nor the desire to play those games LOL.Nice looking car BTW.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

And all I'm saying is that what you described is supposed to happen, nothing out of the ordinary there. I just get a laugh out of how loosely these descriptives like "beat down" and "bus lengths" are thrown around. I'm no bench racer, don't have the time nor the desire to play those games LOL.Nice looking car BTW.

Thanks for the compliment.

If I could have actually hooked up I would have pulled him by a full second...in my book...that's a beat down.

.2 or .3 tenths isn't a beatdown, nor bus lengths...but yes, I do agree with you that some consider it to be

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

What was weird though....

In my race...we started at 40 (no traction issues for either). Both in same gear. Both had no passengers. He actually had a gearing advantage with 3.73's.He has owned his car far longer. Neither of us missed a gear. We raced twice. I won by 1-2 cars both times.

I honestly think my car is just plain faster in this type of race.

You can find the thread on ls1tech. He replied in regards to it etc etc...not sure what to say...I was surprised as well.

Shorter gearing is, many times, not an advantage from a roll.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

Thanks for the compliment.

If I could have actually hooked up I would have pulled him by a full second...in my book...that's a beat down.

.2 or .3 tenths isn't a beatdown, nor bus lengths...but yes, I do agree with you that some consider it to be

given equal traction you should beat him by 4-6 tenths, not a full second. A sound beating still but half as bad as a full second.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

given equal traction you should beat him by 4-6 tenths, not a full second. A sound beating still but half as bad as a full second.

I'm not sure...another member here has the same type of mods and trap speed and was laying down mid to high 11s with drag radials.

This is the thread ==> http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114730

Going from a 2.5 to 1.6 60' can be HUGE. All the trap speed calculators on the net all indicate the car should pull 11.8 as well.

Keep an eye out in the spring....I'm slapping in a set of axles and some 18" drag radials..hopefully I'll be able to post up Finally in the 11s as well

[Bad70supreme]

I just did a muffler delete on my bone stock SS and I could say it adds NO power! It sounds better thats about it. That was a good race and about what I would expect it to look like! I bet stock for stock the SS will walk the 5.0 on the top end every time, maybe not in the 1/4 but I suspect the camaro has the better top end. Not stating that as fact, but I would like to see a 60-140 run, my money is on the camaro.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I'm not sure...another member here has the same type of mods and trap speed and was laying down mid to high 11s with drag radials.

This is the thread ==> http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114730

Going from a 2.5 to 1.6 60' can be HUGE. All the trap speed calculators on the net all indicate the car should pull 11.8 as well.

Keep an eye out in the spring....I'm slapping in a set of axles and some 18" drag radials..hopefully I'll be able to post up Finally in the 11s as well

11.7 has been done without even the use of a cam (supposedly 11.6 but he had no slip...walkermuffler). Full bolt ons 17 inch bogarts and slicks. 11.8 was done on 18 inch rims and tires by both orange chevy and by lg motorsports. (and who knows who else)

Orange chevy went 11.3 @ 121.5 cam only full weight.

In other words.....its your own fault if you dont get 11's.

Youve got no problems if you can find traction. I am guessing you might find a little more trap speed with a solid hook. I know trap isnt usually effected that much by the launch...but I think yours is an extreme case....2.5 60 ft has to be hurting you.

Just going by the rough .15 tenth in the quarter for every .1 in the 60 ft...you are looking at 11's no doubt.

1.6 60 ft might be tough on radials without some practice and good prep.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Shorter gearing is, many times, not an advantage from a roll.

I was never behind the whole time. At the hit he had a definite advantage with his gearing....and could still not pull me. I understand the gearing could hurt him later in the race...but I was never behind, its not like I caught up and passed him...and it wasnt a super high speed roll...we started at 40. I instantly pulled a car...stayed about a car ahead (pretty much no loss or gain for either of us)...then I pulled another car from 100-130...then he shut down

But I get it...must have been something going on for a 5th gen to win....nothing new

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

11.7 has been done without even the use of a cam (supposedly 11.6 but he had no slip...walkermuffler). Full bolt ons 17 inch bogarts and slicks. 11.8 was done on 18 inch rims and tires by both orange chevy and by lg motorsports. (and who knows who else)

Orange chevy went 11.3 @ 121.5 cam only full weight.

In other words.....its your own fault if you dont get 11's.

Youve got no problems if you can find traction. I am guessing you might find a little more trap speed with a solid hook. I know trap isnt usually effected that much by the launch...but I think yours is an extreme case....2.5 60 ft has to be hurting you.

Just going by the rough .15 tenth in the quarter for every .1 in the 60 ft...you are looking at 11's no doubt.

1.6 60 ft might be tough on radials without some practice and good prep.

I tried everyway I could think of to launch the car....every single one resulted in violent wheel hop. The ultimate kicker was the wicked hop after the 1-2 shift...car needs a drag radial for sure.

I don't know how in the hell these other guys did it..

[NinoSS]

Subscribed for the race results...

[ULTRAZLS1]

Lol..180 extra pounds...traction control (even though it helped him get the jump and he got passed when their was no shifting or loss of traction). Muffler delete (entire cat back have been shown to add little)

LMAO. The camaro was almost a car back...stopped the pull...caught back up and passed the 5.0....then he shut down before it got worse.

No surpise though...the camaro has been shown in two different test to be significantly faster from 0-120 and 0-130. Tests that are quickly dismissed and ignored by the ford camp.

Vettemaro...I linked that thread but was afraid of posting about racing lol

you got a link to the discussion on the other forum so we can get the facts?

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

I tried everyway I could think of to launch the car....every single one resulted in violent wheel hop. The ultimate kicker was the wicked hop after the 1-2 shift...car needs a drag radial for sure.

I don't know how in the hell these other guys did it..

You just need a good wheel and tire combo.

I just cant believe we still only have 1 company that makes a 17 inch rim to fit the brembos and they charge for them like they are made out of solid gold.

[8cd03gro]

I would bet that a 3.31 equipped car would fare better at higher speeds. Staying out of the taller fifth and sixth for longer rather than blowing through the gears is beneficial from a roll. That's not to say the camaro won't still have an advantage up top because it may, but as soon as the mustang hit 5th it was all camaro. The mustang really needs the redline raised and to get rid of that "soft limiter" to take advantage of all that gear. I suspect that's also why the 3.31 cars seem to be faster even in the 1/4 as well.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I was never behind the whole time. At the hit he had a definite advantage with his gearing....and could still not pull me. I understand the gearing could hurt him later in the race...but I was never behind, its not like I caught up and passed him...and it wasnt a super high speed roll...we started at 40. I instantly pulled a car...stayed about a car ahead (pretty much no loss or gain for either of us)...then I pulled another car from 100-130...then he shut down

But I get it...must have been something going on for a 5th gen to win....nothing new

There you go again putting words in my mouth. I was simply responding to your statement that he had the gearing advantage. Those gears are not going to help him if you guys shut down at 130, end of story. I never said, nor insinuated anything else about the race. You act like I would prefer the ls1 win for some reason and I'm making excuses for it, which is not the case at all. I'm simply stating the fact that those gears will hurt him up top, not help him.