08 Cobalt Turbo Compared To 2010 Camaro V6?

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Execpt you already have FI and that's a mod we can do. Yes, your car is lighter and comes stock with either S/C or T/C. Compared to stock turbo V6s it doesn't stack up that well. It would be like comparing a LLT with turbos to a SS with turbos...of course the larger displacement engine will produce more power. With FI our larger displacement engines will produce more power than yours. I would be willing to bet in 6 months there will be turbo V6 Camaros that are beating the Cobalts pushing the max PSI. Then you'll get bigger turbos and somebody with a Camaro will replace the tranny and up their boost. In the end, it will be about who has more money. Sooooo, the point made before is valid. Compare NA cars to NA cars and FI cars to FI cars. GM did a good job with both the Camaro and Cobalt. This isn't the Cobalt forum though, so either show or expect to start getting flamed.

Stock turbo isnt a mod, its stock plan and simple.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by leviticus88

My cobalt torque steers like a bitch! Even more on the bottle...

Man I dont have any lol. Unless your on a back country road, but then if your in a high hp rwd car you just spin out lol.

[rtcat600man]

Originally Posted by leviticus88

I would much rather buy a Turbo Cobalt than a LS Camaro for similar prices.

The only reason I would buy an SS Camaro and trade in my SC Cobalt are as follows.
1. It's a Chevy.
2. It doubles the Cylinders and Triples the Displacment.
3. It's RWD and will launch much better.
4. Looks a million times better!
5. Better interior and ride.

The reasons why I havent done it yet.
1. Costs twice as much as what I paid in 2006 for my new Cobalt.
2. Will require modifications just to match the Cobalt's current modded speed.
3. My MPG would be cut in half.

Why can't everyone just realize that because the Camaro ended in 2002, Chevrolet and GM still made affordable Cars that were designed for the enthusiast? It's no coincidence that the Cobalt SS died in 2010 and the camaro came back. Just be happy that the Cobalt was such a bargain for an enthusiast and Chevy did a good job with it. It wasn't a luxury car and it wasn't exactly refined. But it did it's job and can fight with the best of them for half the price. Pretty similar business plan as the corvette just 1/3 the price...

And at least it isn't a damn dodge NEON!

The Cobalt SS dying had NOTHING to due with the Camaro coming back to life. And the Camaro coming back to life had nothing to due with the death of the Cobalt SS.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by esperman

well to be fair, if your posted time is real and correct, your Cobalt is faster than 95% of all 5th Gen Camaros. But then again, so what? I doubt you'll ever see someone trade a SS or even a a "lowly" LT for a Cobalt in any trim. That's just reality. The flip side? Hell yes. Cruel, I know.

LOL. yea its a real time, believe me I have put in the time and effort and practice to get it done. The only stock turbo faster than me is the ZZP LNF which ran 11.62 at 119mph on E85

[esperman]

Originally Posted by rtcat600man

The Cobalt SS dying had NOTHING to due with the Camaro coming back to life. And the Camaro coming back to life had nothing to due with the death of the Cobalt SS.

I agree. I'll also add the Camaro is bleeding the Vettes sales. Cobalt's & Cruzes? Not so much. Different demographic.

I've tested GM's DI 2.0, and it is an impressive engine. But engine is really just a component of the overall car. The Cobalt was not a great platform at all.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by esperman

I agree. I'll also add the Camaro is bleeding the Vettes sales. Cobalt's & Cruzes? Not so much. Different demographic.

I disagree, Nobody comes into our dealer and looks at a vette and walks away with a camaro. If they want a vette they buy or order a vette of their liking. And yes the cobalt and cruze is oriented to different people. And the new cruze just sucks all around. Took one for a ride and when people say it cant get out of its own way, its the truth.

[esperman]

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

Nobody comes into our dealer and looks at a vette

there, fixed it.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by leviticus88

Not when your comparing a 4 Cylinder that has forged internals, low compression and is designed from GM to be boosted. The V6 has neither of these and would cost a fortune to get all of it's FI potential.

Very few people have enough to money to do as they will with any car. Thus, the money and cost argument is always a valid one. It all comes down to what somebody wants, and I wanted my SC Cobalt and now I want an SS Camaro. It's all wants compared to cost.

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

Stock turbo isnt a mod, its stock plan and simple.

You both missed the point by a mile. I don't consider the S/C or T/C with a turbo being modded (change the tune to add more boost and it is modded). The V6 Camaro doesn't come stock with a turbo, BUT other V6s do (and are not modded). The have been designed for boost and they whip the $hit of of most 4-5 cyl. turbo cars.

And by the way, the LLT has some forged parts and some that aren't. It won't be the internals that go first, it will be the tranny. With a good intercooler and meth I wouldn't be afraid to put 12-14 psi on mine, except I'd leave gears on the track. Go look at the GM and this forum's Wiki sites and you'll see the engine isn't the problem. After that you would have to worry about the rod bolts and perhaps the pistons (but MS3 have similar pistons and aren't granading at 20+ psi).

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by esperman

there, fixed it.

hahah, we sell just as many vettes as camaro ss's. we sell about two times as many v6 camaros as ss's.

[cmiller8006]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

You both missed the point by a mile. I don't consider the S/C or T/C with a turbo being modded (change the tune to add more boost and it is modded). The V6 Camaro doesn't come stock with a turbo, BUT other V6s do (and are not modded). The have been designed for boost and they whip the $hit of of most 4-5 cyl. turbo cars.

And by the way, the LLT has some forged parts and some that aren't. It won't be the internals that go first, it will be the tranny. With a good intercooler and meth I wouldn't be afraid to put 12-14 psi on mine, except I'd leave gears on the track. Go look at the GM and this forum's Wiki sites and you'll see the engine isn't the problem. After that you would have to worry about the rod bolts and perhaps the pistons (but MS3 have similar pistons and aren't granading at 20+ psi).

I see that now. Is there a way to put the ss tranny behind the v6?

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

hahah, we sell just as many vettes as camaro ss's. we sell about two times as many v6 camaros as ss's.

I spent part of the money I was saving for a Z06 on my Camaro, and some more on the custom turbo setup. It happens.

[esperman]

Originally Posted by cmiller8006

hahah, we sell just as many vettes as camaro ss's. we sell about two times as many v6 camaros as ss's.

Corvette sales in 2009 were, on average, down 52% in sales from the 35,310 Corvettes built in 2008 to just 16,956 built in 2009. What changed? In 2009, Camaro was released.

[ffrcobra_65]

the camaro will get raped.

[justa25thTA]

Really who cares. A fast turd is still a turd.

Not that the Cobalt is a turd, but it simply is not in the discussion with the Camaro, fast or not.