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Speedy1975 · 01-25-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Okay.

All the complaining actually made me get up and look at the trunk of my car. Guess what?

It's got the SAME THING. So...now I can say from experience two things:

#1; I never noticed the darn thing before now, and I've owned the car for almost year and a half. Tell ya something?

#2; The protective casing they wrapped the wires in is some TOUGH stuff.

Take a look at ANY trunk, I guarantee that you'll find a harness that feeds into the trunk like that on 75% of them. In fact, I googled a couple of Toyotas and Hondas....same thing. Now, granted, they had the harness bound to the supports of the trunk. But...I'm gonna call "bs" on the it-leaves-a-negative-impression thing. Obviously, for some reason, the Camaro does not have internal supports. Neither does the Cobalt I own, and that car is one of GM's top-5 sellers....I'd say it's tried and true approach to harness the trunk wires.

I have faith they'll choose a reliable solution to this issue. But what the pictures show above...is NOT a bad way to do it. I use my cargo space a LOT, we go on frequent trips to Grandma's, and we're always lugging things back and forth. I've NEVER gotten anything snagged, because (just like the Camaro), they attached it to be tight against the car when the trunk opens. You guys have nothing to worry about.

Thanks for taking a look....can you snap a couple pics? I do have this harness in both my Accords, and yes they're attached to the arm on the trunk lid making them "protected" in my mind. You can e-mail them to me if needed. If not I can swing by my dealer and take a look at a Cobalt to see how it's actually routed.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-25-2009, 01:53 PM

Maybe later today...it just started snowing kinda hard....

stovt001 · 01-25-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Man, seriously? Or are you just being sarcastic. I can't tell by your post.

Half kidding, half serious. If I have to load anything larger than a backpack in the trunk of my Cobalt, I just use the fold-down rear seats because the trunk opening is so ridiculously small, and the Camaro looks like it might be even worse. And of course it is technically true that more weight in the trunk will slow the car down a bit...

but really, I meant that all to be a bit light-hearted.

UCF w00t · 01-25-2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

Half kidding, half serious. If I have to load anything larger than a backpack in the trunk of my Cobalt, I just use the fold-down rear seats because the trunk opening is so ridiculously small, and the Camaro looks like it might be even worse. And of course it is technically true that more weight in the trunk will slow the car down a bit...

but really, I meant that all to be a bit light-hearted.

Number 3 loaded in golf clubs and luggage and didn't have a problem.

09 Camry has it zip tied (or similar) to the trunk arm.

RickRay · 01-25-2009, 04:31 PM

Now that looks CLEAN

UCF w00t · 01-25-2009, 06:27 PM

2008 Cobalt Coupe.

trm0002 · 01-25-2009, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trm0002

If it comes from outside the weatherstrip the trunk will crush it.

Below is how it was in my GTO- ran inside the weatherstrip along the right hinge- unfortunately the Camaro hinges are on the outside of the weatherstrip...

^^^ Hinges on inside of weatherstrip

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Anyone at the show get a look with the trunk up? Did this wire loom on the right side of the trunk get addressed? Surely that's not gonna be hangin' out there like that in production? Pic is from Heather's road trip thread.

^^^ Hinges on outside of weatherstrip

Quote:

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Number 3 loaded in golf clubs and luggage and didn't have a problem.

09 Camry has it zip tied (or similar) to the trunk arm.

^^^ Hinges on inside of weatherstrip

Once the hinges went outside the weatherstrip on the Camaro it was impossible to route the cable as shown in the GTO and the Camry.

UCF w00t · 01-25-2009, 06:34 PM

yup. It would seem that the IVER method (it's own hole) is better than just going through the trunk opening.

Speedy1975 · 01-25-2009, 07:25 PM

OK....

On a car with trunk hinges obviously running it along the hinge is fine...it has support and protection from the hinge.

On a car with no internal hinge something else needs to be done. That is a weak spot gentleman, no matter how we try to justify why it is the way it is.

The IVER car was a proper implementation in the case of external hinges. The solution there would be to have the opening on the trunk lid be ABOVE the trunk gasket, not below and run into it's own gromet on the body.

We can beat this to death I guess, like I said, we'll just have to see what can be engineered by the DIYer to resolve. I may get fancy and do up a carbon fiber (or aluminum) "arm" to protect it similar to the hinge inside the trunk method. I'll have to see it in person to figure out what it'll take.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-25-2009, 07:30 PM

We don't know that it's weak. And we certainly don't have the authority to state that the IVER method was the "proper" way to do it. Obviously....they did it....and something wasn't right....

The people building this car are not idiots....I suppose if you're looking for a project to do you can fab something up...but there's nothing to worry about.

Speedy1975 · 01-25-2009, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

We don't know that it's weak. And we certainly don't have the authority to state that the IVER method was the "proper" way to do it. Obviously....they did it....and something wasn't right....

The people building this car are not idiots....I suppose if you're looking for a project to do you can fab something up...but there's nothing to worry about.

We'll agree to disagree and move on.

RealQuickCamaro · 01-26-2009, 01:44 AM

mazda 3

ford mustang

stovt001 · 01-26-2009, 01:58 AM

I think that explains it. It is easy to keep it tight and clean when struts or braces are inside the weather striping, but not so easy when they are outside.

HeatherR · 01-26-2009, 11:19 AM

As you can see the "problem" occurs when the hinges are on the outside of the weather stripping-you can not just tack it to the arm to keep it clean. I would say to live with it for a while and see if it becomes a problem-I never even noticed it and you can see we made much use of the trunk! As for why they changed it from the IVER? My guess is that when you start drilling holes like that in that area you open yourself for problems with water leaks? Again just a thought, but you can bet they made the change for a reason. I don't think this will lead to negative perceived quality-your average driver is never going to notice it, and it did not present itself as an issue of being in the way, breaking, etc.-if it were something that was seen or touched a lot sure, but not this IMO.

01-25-2009, 01:53 PM	#394
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Maybe later today...it just started snowing kinda hard.... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

01-25-2009, 07:30 PM	#402
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	We don't know that it's weak. And we certainly don't have the authority to state that the IVER method was the "proper" way to do it. Obviously....they did it....and something wasn't right.... The people building this car are not idiots....I suppose if you're looking for a project to do you can fab something up...but there's nothing to worry about. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

01-26-2009, 01:58 AM	#405
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	I think that explains it. It is easy to keep it tight and clean when struts or braces are inside the weather striping, but not so easy when they are outside. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

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HeatherR Drives: 2009 CTS, 2008 Solstice GXP Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Keller, TX Posts: 769 View My Garage	As you can see the "problem" occurs when the hinges are on the outside of the weather stripping-you can not just tack it to the arm to keep it clean. I would say to live with it for a while and see if it becomes a problem-I never even noticed it and you can see we made much use of the trunk! As for why they changed it from the IVER? My guess is that when you start drilling holes like that in that area you open yourself for problems with water leaks? Again just a thought, but you can bet they made the change for a reason. I don't think this will lead to negative perceived quality-your average driver is never going to notice it, and it did not present itself as an issue of being in the way, breaking, etc.-if it were something that was seen or touched a lot sure, but not this IMO.