Camaro SS vs 6.4 HEMI

[Stew]

Originally Posted by assasinator

So how does the new SRT8 392 perform? First, it's fast, as in really fast. Dodge claims the 392 is capable of putting down a quarter-mile time of 12.4 seconds at 110.0 mph (the last 2010 we tested did 13.3 at 106.1). Well, our tester, which delivered a 13.0 flat at 111.3, easily outhustled the '10 but couldn't quite live up to Dodge's lofty prediction. (That said, the realized trap speed was higher.) Further, the 392's 0-to-60 time dropped 0.2 second to 4.6 compared to that of last year's 6.1 liter, putting it ahead of the Camaro SS (4.7) but a bit behind the Mustang GT (4.4).

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz18AzWdwBg


that is a far cry from 12.4 at 114mph.

FYI, the 12.4 was with an auto, MT and CD tested 6 speeds. insideline tested an automatic, and they generally suck at driving, and were able to get 12.6@112.5, so it is DEFINATLY capable of a 12.4 with the automatic transmission. And FYI, I CAN'T STAND IT, when someone finds the worst time they can to prove a car is slower than it is supposed to be because THEY want it to be.....

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

The Camaro and 5.0 are 'capable' of 12.5 (good driver, great conditions), and most are clustered around ~12.9 @111. Not a stretch to see the 392 capable of 12.4 or less, given controlled tests of 12.6,12.9, and 13.0.

C/D: 12.9@114
Inside Line: 12.6@112.1
MT: 13.0@111.3

Exactly.

If history repeats the car should get down to 12.2-12.3 hero times when stock (looking at mag time to owner times from the stang and camaro). Though it may take a bit to see this happen given the number of people driving them and tracking them will be far less than it is with the camaro or mustang.

Whenever a car comes out I usually take the average of most mag runs and then remove just about a half second. This will get you VERY close to what the cars are capable of running with great drivers and great conditions etc.

For Example...
Camaro ran a 12.9-13.1 in most all mag tests. 12.5 hero time.

Mustang ran in the same ballpark with very quick runs of 12.7-12.8 in motor trend. Current hero time of 12.4

Challenger 392. 12.6, 12.9, 13.0 so far.
It should be capable of AT LEAST a 12.3 IMO

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Exactly.

If history repeats the car should get down to 12.2-12.3 hero times when stock (looking at mag time to owner times from the stang and camaro). Though it may take a bit to see this happen given the number of people driving them and tracking them will be far less than it is with the camaro or mustang.

Whenever a car comes out I usually take the average of most mag runs and then remove just about a half second. This will get you VERY close to what the cars are capable of running with great drivers and great conditions etc.

For Example...
Camaro ran a 12.9-13.1 in most all mag tests. 12.5 hero time.

Mustang ran in the same ballpark with very quick runs of 12.7-12.8 in motor trend. Current hero time of 12.4

Challenger 392. 12.6, 12.9, 13.0 so far.
It should be capable of AT LEAST a 12.3 IMO

Ironically the current 5.0 "hero" time is 12.3 now. I know..it's just a tenth, but it counts

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Exactly.

If history repeats the car should get down to 12.2-12.3 hero times when stock (looking at mag time to owner times from the stang and camaro). Though it may take a bit to see this happen given the number of people driving them and tracking them will be far less than it is with the camaro or mustang.

Whenever a car comes out I usually take the average of most mag runs and then remove just about a half second. This will get you VERY close to what the cars are capable of running with great drivers and great conditions etc.

For Example...
Camaro ran a 12.9-13.1 in most all mag tests. 12.5 hero time.

Mustang ran in the same ballpark with very quick runs of 12.7-12.8 in motor trend. Current hero time of 12.4

Challenger 392. 12.6, 12.9, 13.0 so far.
It should be capable of AT LEAST a 12.3 IMO

but you also have to take into account that most of these current runs for the 392 have been done in the best weather we will be seeing (it is winter, which = best trap speeds at least). Sure the times are gonna drop a bit but running 12.6@112 requires something close to a 2.0X - 2.1 60' time and given that the car has an IRS and street tires it will still be difficult to run too much quicker than the 12.44 already done. Especially with the 112mph trap speeds theyve been averaging. The Camaro hero run of 12.58 (pretty much 12.6) was done on a 112mph trap speed. If the times are expected to drop a lot more, we're gonna have to start seeing an increase in trap speeds because the IRS can only help so much on the launch, especially in a heavy vehicle.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Ironically the current 5.0 "hero" time is 12.3 now. I know..it's just a tenth, but it counts

That was my prediction all along given the camaro has hit 12.5. It should be capable of a 12.3 looking at power to weight.

though I seen it was -1000-1400 DA for the 12.3 mustang run. it was +1200 DA for the camaros 12.5 run. Correcting is kind of lame but the camaro corrected to a 12.43 being at 0 DA. at -1000 it would have been just as fast as the stangs 12.3x all things staying the same.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

That was my prediction all along given the camaro has hit 12.5. It should be capable of a 12.3 looking at power to weight.

though I seen it was -1000-1400 DA for the 12.3 mustang run. it was +1200 DA for the camaros 12.5 run. Correcting is kind of lame but the camaro corrected to a 12.43 being at 0 DA. at -1000 it would have been just as fast as the stangs 12.3x all things staying the same.

Then theoretically the mustang should be able to squeak out a 12.2 (12.1) and the 392 a 12.1 (12 flat). Power-to-weight, gearing, and SRA is all in the Stang's advantage. The only problem I foresee on the 392 is the 255 all season tires. I mean honestly, WTF is that about?

[Stew]

A little bit off topic, but damn it is crazy you can go into any Mopar, Chevy, or Ford dealer and get card that damned quick!

[assasinator]

well the debate will not end. at least teh 392 will be on the streets for the spring. we'll see what -2000ft DA's do. then after a time we'll have a database.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

That was my prediction all along given the camaro has hit 12.5. It should be capable of a 12.3 looking at power to weight.

though I seen it was -1000-1400 DA for the 12.3 mustang run. it was +1200 DA for the camaros 12.5 run. Correcting is kind of lame but the camaro corrected to a 12.43 being at 0 DA. at -1000 it would have been just as fast as the stangs 12.3x all things staying the same.

man the 12,5 camaro run WAS not a 1200ft run. the air was negative DA and the track is at 600ft. bowling green in may. that correction is false man. i went to weather undeground for the exact conditions at that time.





if dodge wants to make a splash use this motor. http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/13/p...8-crate-motor/

[klapper]

Originally Posted by Stew

A little bit off topic, but damn it is crazy you can go into any Mopar, Chevy, or Ford dealer and get card that damned quick!

True enough. Mid 13's just get a sneer these days. It wasn't that long ago that people thought a Civic with aftermarket exhaust was a quick car. What a spoiled place cheap gas North America is.

[AZ MSCL]

I just don't get why everyone is so absorbed by the power of any car. Someone who regularly runs 1/4 miles is gonna mod their engine so they will win. I understand everyone here defending the team, but honestly, this continued worry about whether the 392 can beat an SS is silly. My RT will match a stock SS because it's slightly modded, maybe even beat it. When I put in the S/C it will smoke most cars. So what? Mod your car if you're gonna race.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by AZ MSCL

I just don't get why everyone is so absorbed by the power of any car. Someone who regularly runs 1/4 miles is gonna mod their engine so they will win. I understand everyone here defending the team, but honestly, this continued worry about whether the 392 can beat an SS is silly. My RT will match a stock SS because it's slightly modded, maybe even beat it. When I put in the S/C it will smoke most cars. So what? Mod your car if you're gonna race.

!

lol. Seriously,.....after getting a taste of power, who stays stock these days anyway!?

[mjf6866]

Originally Posted by AZ MSCL

I just don't get why everyone is so absorbed by the power of any car. Someone who regularly runs 1/4 miles is gonna mod their engine so they will win. I understand everyone here defending the team, but honestly, this continued worry about whether the 392 can beat an SS is silly. My RT will match a stock SS because it's slightly modded, maybe even beat it. When I put in the S/C it will smoke most cars. So what? Mod your car if you're gonna race.

well said...the stock numbers are for bench racers that A. either dont own the car they are defending and will defend it to the death because of brand loyalty or its their dream car, or B. own the car they are defending, but dont ever race it. they just sit and stare at it while it sits in a climate controlled garage all year round and spout out what it can do because magazine a or b said so, or C. they despise the other makes of cars in its class and will do anything to make those cars seem "lesser" by spouting out said times by magazine a or b if they reflect it in a negative fashion.

i know its fun to compare and agrue posted numbers, hell i like to take part it it as well, but its ridiculous how far some people take it! not just on these boards, pretty much any car forum.

[AZ MSCL]

Originally Posted by mjf6866

well said...the stock numbers are for bench racers that A. either dont own the car they are defending and will defend it to the death because of brand loyalty or its their dream car, or B. own the car they are defending, but dont ever race it. they just sit and stare at it while it sits in a climate controlled garage all year round and spout out what it can do because magazine a or b said so, or C. they despise the other makes of cars in its class and will do anything to make those cars seem "lesser" by spouting out said times by magazine a or b if they reflect it in a negative fashion.

i know its fun to compare and agrue posted numbers, hell i like to take part it it as well, but its ridiculous how far some people take it! not just on these boards, pretty much any car forum.

A, B or C. Exactly. I'm glad that we have muscle cars again and enjoy talking about them too. Car forums are great and I've learned a lot about my cars and others, however, some people do take it too far. While I am partial to Mopar, I still love the others and appreciate them for what they are. Great fun and a neat way to get around town. Or race on the weekends.