2012 Z28 to be faster on track than Corvette Grandsport and Z06 says GM Marketing VP?

[lets_go_bills]

[PQ]

Originally Posted by ArkySS

Okay I call BS too but I would be willing to start a collection, protest and petition to make this happen just so we could all see PQ driving around in a dress....something from Frederick's of Hollywood please in bright red

Haha, I got nuthin' to worry about. It would be nice though.

(the car, not the dressin' up, lmao)

Originally Posted by el ess X

And...how is that different than your current behavior??

I don't drive.

[PeeBee]

Something to think about maybe:

Corvette ZR-1 Ring time: 7:26.4 with 638 bhp...
The official curb weight of the 2009 ZR1 was released to be 3,352 lb (1,520 kg).

Nissan GTR Ring Time: 7:26.70 with 530bhp (and two cyls less)
Curb weight1,740 kg (3,800 lb)

If a Jap can keep up with a ZR1, why wouldn't a Z28 be able to beat a Z06 (which is supposed to be a slower car than the ZR1)?

[newagemuscle]

I had heard that the 2012 zo6 will be getting a slightly detuned version of the zr1 motor because the zr1 will be dropped and the 7.0 is going away. Standard vette should be getting direct injected by then and be a solid 450 hp car. I love the idea of the z28 but we all know just throwing hp at a heavy car is not going to make it a competetor against what ii consider americas supercar. Look at the gt500. I love the car but it can hardly hang with a regular corvette out of the box because of it power to weight ratio.

[newagemuscle]

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Something to think about maybe:

Corvette ZR-1 Ring time: 7:26.4 with 638 bhp...
The official curb weight of the 2009 ZR1 was released to be 3,352 lb (1,520 kg).

Nissan GTR Ring Time: 7:26.70 with 530bhp (and two cyls less)
Curb weight1,740 kg (3,800

If a Jap can keep up with a ZR1, why wouldn't a Z28 be able to beat a Z06 (which is supposed to be a slower car than the ZR1)?

Awd is a big factor in that comparison.

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Something to think about maybe:

Corvette ZR-1 Ring time: 7:26.4 with 638 bhp...
The official curb weight of the 2009 ZR1 was released to be 3,352 lb (1,520 kg).

Nissan GTR Ring Time: 7:26.70 with 530bhp (and two cyls less)
Curb weight1,740 kg (3,800 lb)

If a Jap can keep up with a ZR1, why wouldn't a Z28 be able to beat a Z06 (which is supposed to be a slower car than the ZR1)?

PeeBee, thanks for the info. You may be right. I will keep my fingers crossed and hope that you are correct. But honestly, I am usually not that lucky.

[Nostromo]

Originally Posted by Steelsinger

"The Camaro Z28 is going...then both the Corvette...

I doubt if he'd have said, or written; "then both the Corvette" when he really meant 'than'.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by newagemuscle

Awd is a big factor in that comparison.

And most indications are the Nissan GTR is underrated. Its really making 550 awhp (all wheel HP).
http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...hp-at-the-hubs

[radz28]

Originally Posted by HBspeed

Sounds unbelievable, but if GM can pull off a Z-28 thats faster on a road course than a C6 Z06 WOW. Talk about the Z-28 all of a sudden being a huge deal and something exciting enough for me to register on the forum!

WELCOME! Second - if your brand new, and haven't been lurking, make sure you check out the Stickies with the spyshots and videos There's lots of drool material there

Originally Posted by Anthony @ LG Motorsports

Agree'd.

Given it is close to the same HP/weight as the CTSV coupe....it isn't going to be as fast as a Z06...might be close to a GS, but not the Z06 or ZR1.

I'll be shocked to see it under $50k

Not that I'd even try to argue with a 'Vette guru the likes of any of your crew, but, there was a pretty significant improvement in the handling of Z06 with the PS2s from ZR1 - yes? If we're talking a standard Z06 on the OEM F1s, and if Z28 came with PS2s (which I haven't noticed in ANY spy shots ), then I think there's a good case for Z28 to at least be VERY close to Z06. They would have to have had tuned the sh*t out of the chassis and bumped the power a lot though

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

There's no way. The Z06 Vette will have a 600+ lbs weight advantage with huge rubber on all 4 corners. A skilled driver in a Z06 Vette "should" have no trouble beating a Camaro Z28 around a track.

Just for fun, here's the top 10 stock C6 Z06 times from corvetteforum.com

1----10.981 @ 128.90--1.77---jamie furman ------'06. -----Details
2----11.138 @ 127.20--1.76---Ranger------'06. -----Details
3----11.177 @ 127.08--1.79---walterm32 -----'08-----Details
4----11.242 @ 122.38--1.68---Dr.Ron------'06. ----------Details
5----11.311 @ 122.89--1.80---BLU-BY-U------'06. -----Details ******** Top 10 avg: 11.291 @ 125.320
6----11.349 @ 124.97--1.75---zosix427-----'06. -------Details
7----11.392 @ 124.84--1.92--- C5 Frank------'06-------Details
8----11.429 @ 124.88--1.86---dgdoc------'06. -----Details
9----11.443 @ 125.93--1.95---O7zeeO6------'07----Details
10---11.458 @ 124.13--1.80--- layjzay----- '06 -------Details
****************************************

Now - I'm not trying to nitpick, but I think Z28 has the potential to be faster around a road course, which was what I was thinking regarding the marketer's statements. Look at the new 911 - it flat spanked ZR1 in a straight line, but ZR1 stomped the sh*t out of it around the track (?Willow - was it?...?). Some of those 60's are a little questionable from that list on the F1s, but I wasn't there, so

Originally Posted by el ess X

If it is, I'm betting it's $49,995.95 base price.

Originally Posted by 2012z28

$48,500.00 starting. JMO

Originally Posted by Z_Rocks

No pricing has been announced. So, the $45K comment is out the door.

I don't see Z28 being less than $49,870. With S/C, Upgrade to engine, brakes, trany, gears, tiers, clutch, cooling system, suspension and etc. Heck, the CTS-V, configured runs around $70K.

BUT, that CTS-V has all the iminities that you find on the Berbarian and luxury cars, so some of that technology accounts for some of that price, too, no? Also - CTS-V runs on a more exclusive chassis - yes? But I digress, because I'm totally in the same page in terms of Z and on your price

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Something to think about maybe:

Corvette ZR-1 Ring time: 7:26.4 with 638 bhp...
The official curb weight of the 2009 ZR1 was released to be 3,352 lb (1,520 kg).

Nissan GTR Ring Time: 7:26.70 with 530bhp (and two cyls less)
Curb weight1,740 kg (3,800 lb)

If a Jap can keep up with a ZR1, why wouldn't a Z28 be able to beat a Z06 (which is supposed to be a slower car than the ZR1)?

Originally Posted by newagemuscle

Awd is a big factor in that comparison.

^^^ This That AWD is helping a lot, too. I believe I remember one of the chief engineers on 'Vette saying there was a little more to be had, too. Also - wasn't that test on the GTR a little suspect, too, due to the way they timed it or something; it was unofficial or something like that? Maybe that was another test I'm thinking of...:(

Originally Posted by newagemuscle

I had heard that the 2012 zo6 will be getting a slightly detuned version of the zr1 motor because the zr1 will be dropped and the 7.0 is going away. Standard vette should be getting direct injected by then and be a solid 450 hp car. I love the idea of the z28 but we all know just throwing hp at a heavy car is not going to make it a competetor against what ii consider americas supercar. Look at the gt500. I love the car but it can hardly hang with a regular corvette out of the box because of it power to weight ratio.

I really don't think there's going to be any significant upgrades on C6. With C7 on the way, I really don't know that they'd have started investing in more development on a detuned LS9 for Z06. I don't know, though, because I haven't been following - honestly. It's all speculation

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

And most indications are the Nissan GTR is underrated. Its really making 550 awhp (all wheel HP).
http://www.motorauthority.com/blog/1...hp-at-the-hubs

It went that high?! I remember seeing one early dyno' near 5XX AWHP and another early ZR1 at like 53X or something. I do remember that GTR was pretty underrated, though. Good call

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by radz28

WELCOME! Second - if your brand new, and haven't been lurking, make sure you check out the Stickies with the spyshots and videos There's lots of drool material there



Not that I'd even try to argue with a 'Vette guru the likes of any of your crew, but, there was a pretty significant improvement in the handling of Z06 with the PS2s from ZR1 - yes? If we're talking a standard Z06 on the OEM F1s, and if Z28 came with PS2s (which I haven't noticed in ANY spy shots ), then I think there's a good case for Z28 to at least be VERY close to Z06. They would have to have had tuned the sh*t out of the chassis and bumped the power a lot though



Now - I'm not trying to nitpick, but I think Z28 has the potential to be faster around a road course, which was what I was thinking regarding the marketer's statements. Look at the new 911 - it flat spanked ZR1 in a straight line, but ZR1 stomped the sh*t out of it around the track (?Willow - was it?...?). Some of those 60's are a little questionable from that list on the F1s, but I wasn't there, so









BUT, that CTS-V has all the iminities that you find on the Berbarian and luxury cars, so some of that technology accounts for some of that price, too, no? Also - CTS-V runs on a more exclusive chassis - yes? But I digress, because I'm totally in the same page in terms of Z and on your price





^^^ This That AWD is helping a lot, too. I believe I remember one of the chief engineers on 'Vette saying there was a little more to be had, too. Also - wasn't that test on the GTR a little suspect, too, due to the way they timed it or something; it was unofficial or something like that? Maybe that was another test I'm thinking of...:(



I really don't think there's going to be any significant upgrades on C6. With C7 on the way, I really don't know that they'd have started investing in more development on a detuned LS9 for Z06. I don't know, though, because I haven't been following - honestly. It's all speculation



It went that high?! I remember seeing one early dyno' near 5XX AWHP and another early ZR1 at like 53X or something. I do remember that GTR was pretty underrated, though. Good call

I need to correct my statement. The Nissan GTR made 495 awhp. That would equate to around 570 hp at the crank (at 15% loss). But that's wayyy higher than Nissan's hp claims.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

I need to correct my statement. The Nissan GTR made 495 awhp. That would equate to around 570 hp at the crank (at 15% loss). But that's wayyy higher than Nissan's hp claims.

WHEW!!! THAT'S THE NUMBER I REMEMBER!!! Isn't there a new model with a little more power now, anyways? It's an "R" or something - yes? Regardless - that the GTR can pretty much keep pretty close to ZR1 is saying something. I think most of it's due to the AWD, but Z28 will be close in weight, so it's not impossible. It only takes $$$

[thebrander]

Originally Posted by radz28

WHEW!!! THAT'S THE NUMBER I REMEMBER!!! Isn't there a new model with a little more power now, anyways? It's an "R" or something - yes? Regardless - that the GTR can pretty much keep pretty close to ZR1 is saying something. I think most of it's due to the AWD, but Z28 will be close in weight, so it's not impossible. It only takes $$$

I thought GTR's did 480 crank? I've come across two on the highway and had no problem in my stock Z06 (wouldn't dare at a stop light).

Anyways, I do believe and hope the Z28 outperforms a Z06 on a roadcourse (600BHP, wide tires, CTS-V brakes, coilovers, and 3600-3700lbs would do it). I think it's impossible to do it for less than $55K though. Not sure why a Vette enthusiast would not like this idea. If a Camaro outperforms a C6Z, what do you think the C7Z is going to do? If GM kicks it's own ass, we all win!

[PQ]

Originally Posted by PeeBee

Something to think about maybe:

Corvette ZR-1 Ring time: 7:26.4 with 638 bhp...
The official curb weight of the 2009 ZR1 was released to be 3,352 lb (1,520 kg).

Nissan GTR Ring Time: 7:26.70 with 530bhp (and two cyls less)
Curb weight1,740 kg (3,800 lb)

If a Jap can keep up with a ZR1, why wouldn't a Z28 be able to beat a Z06 (which is supposed to be a slower car than the ZR1)?

Even at the 3800 lb. weight, it will still come in well under the Z-28 I'm guessing.

And the price kinda tells a bit of a story too.

Originally Posted by newagemuscle

Awd is a big factor in that comparison.

[Revo1]

That would be BEASTLY