Camaro VS Mustang Mega Thread

[ULTRAZLS1]

Im going to e-mail them and find out.

[stikSS]

Originally Posted by BigDan

http://www.racestarindustries.com/

Their 17's fit over the SRT-8 rear Brembo's so they might also fit over the SS rear.





When I got about 5 miles away from the track on Grant Line road I opened it up when it was safe and discovered a problem with my tune. At 5700 rpm the computer was telling the TB to close so I drove it over to my tuner at AED in Cameron Park. We did a few data logs and found out that it was going into a different torque table which was commanding the TB to close at 5700. We increased all the torque levels and its still doing it so he is calling around to find a solution. Starting in MY 2011 Ford gave their GT500's a far more advanced computer capable of monitoring and adjusting all sorts of parameters and its been a PITA for tuner's to figure out since the computer has so many built in safe guards and is always trying to cut power and throw a code.

I wasn't too bumed out because conditions were poor due to heavy fog, cold temp's and my buddy who was waiting for me there said he only saw a few car's running so the track surface temp was probably low as well.

I cant wait until we get this all figured because after closely examining my dyno sheet it looks like its always been colsing at 5700 so I'm looking forward to all the increased horsepower that was left on the table from 5700-6700 rpm since the new 2011 GT500's got the Ford GT cam's which make peak hp at red line and I was expecting a little more hp from my mods so this explains where my hp went.

Well that just sucks!... but atleast there is some safety factors built in to make sure its not a disaster in the making. Is the redline at 6700? The SS redline is at 6200 factory, but shifting at 57 - 5800 is actually better for 1/4 mile times since the power starts to drop off around 6000.

Since my cam install, according to the dyno, i'm still making power up to 6500and then i start to get the fall off. I haven't been able to run it since, but i'm interested to see what the difference is gonna be short shifting vs running it higher. My torque drops off around 6100.... so we'll see.

[Glizzy6d]

Originally Posted by stikSS

I see ur in Ft Bragg area, and with the 5th Gen club, we have a local club ( my sig).. you're more than welcome to come hang out and join, check the website if you want!

For sure man, I couldnt get the website up when u asked me to join last time, So i'm glad i checked this thread lol

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Dude....did you even read the posts etc?

I wasnt even talking about the 5.0 or anything like that. I was responding to something else completely. I hardly even post on those kind of subjects anymore etc. The whole topic is rather old IMO.

And no..the SS and 5.0 are not even. The 5.0 is faster. I could give a crap less anymore. I have all but given up trying to convince anyone of anything.

I agree on having the car set-up. Check out my sig...I have been doing some suspension mods and have some DR's on the way. I plan on going to the track in April or May


I would like to do another dyno pull definitely. I was dynoed on a mustang dyno in July and also my car only had 700 kmiles on it. If you want to come and pay for it be my guest The car is in storage now being we have about 6 inches of snow.
The car made between 428 rwhp and 435 rwhp in 5 consecutive pulls once the tuning was finished.

I have seen plenty of other people at 43x rwhp with bolt ons. What is so special about mine?

I also have the 2 inch headers which show a 5whp peak gain over the 1 7/8. I also have an under-drive crank pulley that is good for another 5 rwhp. I am also running an ORX which is good for 1-2 hp lol.
I could just as easily be at 420-425 depending on several variables etc.

Not sure what the big deal is about my numbers?

i wasnt picking on your numbers. i wonder what they would be on a dynojet. not guess work but an actual run. thats all i was saying.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by BigDan

^ Yeah I don't get it also. My very first mod was a set of drag radials I didn't even have my plates or window tint yet. I'm not the only one as almost every 2011 GT owner I know has drag radials but not too many SS member's I see here have them, even most of the supercharged guy's don't have them.

There is plenty of enough power in these car's to and your biggest and cheapest mod is traction. Most stock GT500's pick up over a full second in there ET with a simple DR swap and leave the $80k 750hp Supersnakes in the rear view at the track. Why spend money to make more hp when your factory tires cant even hook up factory power. All that money will literally go up in a cloud of smoke when ever you try to put that power down.

i was going to just use MT streets and 16" rims to avoid the swaybar relocate thing, but crap, it isnt hard to do. so its 28x10.5x15 MT's.

heat em till they start pulling the revvs down and stage. when i do run it im definitely not dropping above 4500. clutch wont survive it. i have the 2 step set for 2500 for the street on 275 nitto's right now.


Ford did the torque managment thing for all of the stangs. its just stupid. my dyno runs look good, but ive added a CAI. adding no-tune CAI's have caused the throttle to drop in the past. i gotta dyno it to see asap.

[stikSS]

Originally Posted by Glizzy6d

For sure man, I couldnt get the website up when u asked me to join last time, So i'm glad i checked this thread lol

Good Deal!...

[Screaminz2002]

Originally Posted by 1bad65

Get real. The s197s with the 4.6 3V engines were/are great cars. 300hp and 320lb/ft of torque stock, they ran mid 13s stock, and they were very mod friendly. And for as cheap as ~$27k. No one who bought those cars got screwed. Ford could have just kept the 4.6 2V 260hp engine in it since there was no Camaro or Challenger to compete with it until 2009-2010.

I love how you bash Ford for not "getting off their lilly arse to produce something that even resembles a pony car" when Chevy didn't even produce the Camaro from 2003-2009. At least Ford produced something.

Not sure how you can even write that. During this time GM had the G8 which was as mod friendly and as fast (GXP is just about as fast as the current SS in 2009). I test drove both brands and didn't like either one. In fact I will admit I haven't been following either line in the last 7 years besides just looking in every once in a while. Either way ford never did eclipse the last production camaro of 2002. Ford did nothing but to continue to roll out the same mustang from that era except for a body change.

I say you got robbed when your direct competitor releases a v-6 base model that DIRECTLY competes with the GT model of 1994 - 2010. After 16 years of producing the same engine I would hope that it was mod friendly. I have nothing against mustangs but to be honest they have been nothing to get excited over since the last 5.0 It took the releasing of the Camaro for Ford to look at doing anything with the Mustang.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Screaminz2002

Not sure how you can even write that. During this time GM had the G8 which was as mod friendly and as fast (GXP is just about as fast as the current SS in 2009). I test drove both brands and didn't like either one. In fact I will admit I haven't been following either line in the last 7 years besides just looking in every once in a while. Either way ford never did eclipse the last production camaro of 2002. Ford did nothing but to continue to roll out the same mustang from that era except for a body change.

I say you got robbed when your direct competitor releases a v-6 base model that DIRECTLY competes with the GT model of 1994 - 2010. After 16 years of producing the same engine I would hope that it was mod friendly. I have nothing against mustangs but to be honest they have been nothing to get excited over since the last 5.0 It took the releasing of the Camaro for Ford to look at doing anything with the Mustang.

16 years of the same engine? What are you talking about? I understand the point you are trying to make and to an extent I agree with you, but you're making a few major mistakes. For one, the 3v modular is a way better engine than the 2v 4.6. Two, a 3v gt will absolutely destroy a base model v6 camaro.

[assasinator]

Jpc would like to announce that we have test results on our CNC cylinder heads for the 2011 5.0L. We have just completed the install/testing on the heads for MM&FF and have a sneak peek of the results. We are not at liberty to post up complete dyno sheets at this time but we can let you in on some of the gains we experienced. The car we used for testing was Joe Marini's 2011 6spd manual GT. The car was equipped with a set of Kooks longtubes, 3" Off-road X-pipe, Bassani mufflers, JLT CAI, and a custom Diablosport/JPC tune. The car baselined at 424rwhp, we installed the cyl heads within 24hrs and did not change anything but the cyl heads, we made sure all of our temperatures were consistent and this is what we found:

A 36rwhp gain at 7,400rpm, 21rwhp gain at peak hp which was 6400rpm, 18rwhp gain at 5,000rpm, 5rwhp gain at 4,000rpm. The heads feature RGR designed cnc porting and a 5angle valve job. They are equipped with stock valves and we shim the valve springs, for added valvetrain stability at high rpms.

445rwhp heads only. cams and boss intake are next. just saying. this is where mine is headed.

[WadeWilson]

Very nice gains.

[assasinator]

the best heads in the world can only help so much down low. it doesnt gain anything 2-4k really. it needs cams and the boss intake badly. im curious what the boss intake will do by itself. then with cams.

[Huggerorange73]

7,400 RPM! Holy crap!!!!! Impressive!

[assasinator]

we (coyote owners) are going to have to rev it to the moon. i have to make all i can to 7500 cuz thats it for me. im not revving it any higher. the limiter is set there now.

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by assasinator

the best heads in the world can only help so much down low. it doesnt gain anything 2-4k really. it needs cams and the boss intake badly. im curious what the boss intake will do by itself. then with cams.

What cam are you thinking of?