ABL (ambient lighting) limited to the doors only?

[djsnoflake]

For the part about grandma's sweaters, read you to mean me. Man I hated those sweaters

[bolteon593]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

I just talked about this. This doesn't matter because right now there is more info about the Mustang than the Camaro. I'd rather have 100% of the info now than 95% of the info in the past.

that's nice, but last i checked the 2010 mustang is already in showrooms. our camaro is not.

We still have no idea what we'll be getting with ABL, if we even get it at all. And we paid for it.

you have not paid anything for your abl as of yet, you put down a deposit...

Fair enough. GM needs to say this and then state what will happen for a backup plan. Will certain cars be delayed to get ABL? Will the price go down if the model doesn't include ABL? Even an honest "I don't know but I'll try to find out" would be nice rather than a "I know, but I can't tell".

when there's information ready to be dealt out it will be...

1. I could cancel and forfeit my deposit. Also, I cannot delay my order as I've already tried, you get it when you get it. Dealerships want the cars in asap so they can sell them, whether someone's there to buy it. The line order is not negotiable.

2. Or get what I was promised...I'll do that.


3. I have not insulted anyone here; please try to debate maturely if you choose to debate.

it's too bad you'd be forfeiting your deposit, but thats your dealer and not gm.

and keep in mind, you were not promissed anything... big ol gm didn't call you and say i promise abl will be on your 2ss. "production model may vary" is what you were promised, and still remains true.

Who says they're rumors if no one from GM has tried to squash them?

because it's not gm's job to squash your worries, it's their job to build you a camaro.


if it turns out we dont get abl, it will be for a good reason and a solid substitute or alternative will be offered.

they haven't screwed up this car to date, why would they now?


untill then, please can it with your whinning.

[NAHURRY]

Some of you people must be so loaded with money that it dont matter
to you if you get what your paying for or not

Trust me, I know the value of a dollar. manual labor for 20 years, ABL
needs to be there, if not it should come off the MSRP. I am not rich
enough to give my money away. IT WAS ADVERTISED FOR crying out loud.

GM... give us what were paying for!


Why do some of you people click on a thread that will make you so mad.

[dbotsfordtat]

Originally Posted by bolteon593

because it's not gm's job to squash your worries, it's their job to build you a camaro.


if it turns out we dont get abl, it will be for a good reason and a solid substitute or alternative will be offered.

they haven't screwed up this car to date, why would they now?


untill then, please can it with your whinning.

Your post makes absolutely no sense, its absolutely gm's job to squash our worries about the camaro. And many like discussing ABL with others so how about you go debate stripes or transmissions or wtf and let those interested in ABL use this thread for that?

[Tal]

If GM isn't sure how this will work out keeping quiet is a reasonable choice for the time being. Nobody is getting their car delivered tomorrow, or even next week so if there's nothing solid to talk about putting out some maybes could do more harm than good. This really should be addressed before the month is out IMO,(or at least by 1 week prior to production) but that's a long ways off still.

[StoutFiles]

and keep in mind, you were not promissed anything... big ol gm didn't call you and say i promise abl will be on your 2ss. "production model may vary" is what you were promised, and still remains true.

They say that so they aren't legally responsible for anything. What if they said tomorrow that "we're putting in a new V8 engine, it only has 315 HP". Would you be mad then? Or would you still be fine with it because the production model may vary?

if it turns out we dont get abl, it will be for a good reason and a solid substitute or alternative will be offered.

I'm worried that we'll get this half-assed "door's only" ABL which they will consider the full ABL and no refunds, substitutes, or alternatives will be offered. That's why this topic was created..."door's only" is not what was promised.

Nobody would want the V8 to suddenly have 315 HP...why also would we want ABL to suddenly just only be on the doors?

Nobody is getting their car delivered tomorrow, or even next week so if there's nothing solid to talk about putting out some maybes could do more harm than good.

There are people who still have the time to switch to a 1LT or 1SS based on this information (or switch up if the info is good). GM won't release the info if it's negative because of this reason, they'd lose money on people dropping preorders or switching to a lower model. That's why I'd prefer GM announce something to us while there's still some time left.

[OUR72GTO]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

I just talked about this. This doesn't matter because right now there is more info about the Mustang than the Camaro. I'd rather have 100% of the info now than 95% of the info in the past.



We still have no idea what we'll be getting with ABL, if we even get it at all. And we paid for it.




3. I have not insulted anyone here; please try to debate maturely if you Fair enough. GM needs to say this and then state what will happen for a backup plan. Will certain cars be delayed to get ABL? Will the price go down if the model doesn't include ABL? Even an honest "I don't know but I'll try to find out" would be nice rather than a "I know, but I can't tell".



1. I could cancel and forfeit my deposit. Also, I cannot delay my order as I've already tried, you get it when you get it. Dealerships want the cars in asap so they can sell them, whether someone's there to buy it. The line order is not negotiable.

2. Or get what I was promised...I'll do that.
choose to debate.



Who says they're rumors if no one from GM has tried to squash them?

I suggest you discuss this with Captain Awesome.......

HE KEPT STIRING THE POT TOO !

[djsnoflake]

What if they said tomorrow that "we're putting in a new V8 engine, it only has 315 HP". Would you be mad then? Or would you still be fine with it because the production model may vary?

I know it will be different for certain people, but if I heard that, I'd just cancell my order, because mine is refundable. I am not that hung up on a camaro that I can't change my order.
Just make sure when you order something, you can get your money back, and then you never have to worry about anything.

[Caliman93230]

my 2 cents, I'm sure GM will let people know ahead of time if they will be abandoning the ABL feature like they did with the HUD. GM might be close to resolving the issue and that's why they have not said anything about it. Now give GM at least a couple of more weeks, maybe by then the issue will be resolved. its very important that the camaro is done right especially with all eyes on GM right now, if they screw up then the hole world is going to know it and they don't need that kind of attention right now.

[Hemo2]

Originally Posted by Never2LowChevy

I sent GM an e-mail about ambiant lighting. This is how it went...


I have read on Camaro5.com that the ambiant lighting may not be ready for the launch of the Camaro. I would like to know if it will be ready because I would like to upgrade to the 2SS from the 1SS if it is going to be ready. If it will not be ready I will gladly stay with the cheaper 1SS but it is an option that I would love to have. Thank you for any info that you can provide.



The reply was this


Dear Mr. James,

Thank you for contacting Chevrolet and for your interest in the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro! We appreciate the time you have taken to write us.

According to our information, ambient Light (ABL) should be available at start of production on the 2LT and 2SS 2010 Camaro models. It consists of lighting around the door trim and instrument panels. However, we recommend keeping in touch with your preferred Chevrolet dealership for the most current information on option availability. More information on the 2010 Camaro can be found online at http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro.

Hmm, they specifically state lighting around the door trim and instrument panels. So that means it's not on the dashboard. That's an honest answer to your honest question. But don't they realize that image #4 on the www.chevrolet.com/camaro shows blue ambient lighting going all the way across the dashboard? That image has been there for quite some time now. Yeah, it does have a disclaimer that "production models may vary" so they can CYA, but if it's not going to be on the dashboard, why continue to promote it by showing an image of it this way on the official website so close to production? If things have changed from what they "may" have wanted to offer, then fine, just stand up and say so. Don't they realize that people really can handle the truth? I seriously doubt it will affect sales that much.

It doesn't affect me as I won't be ordering until around next October, so I'll know by then what the 2SS w/RS comes with, but playing patty-cake like they are with "until it's right" or "production may vary", while still building everyone's hopes you'll get what you see on the official website is a bit poor in my opinion.

[5th_GEN_SS]

i have a "?" if there is all this speculation about ABL lighting not being ready by production then how is it functional in the "Test/Show" cars?

does anyone recall the silver SS vid on youtube where the red ABL lighting can be seen lit and functtional...

it appears that they had it down pat there so i dont see what would change?

[TJ91]

Believe me they know that they want it acrosss the dash, they have advertised it many times
****Stoutfiles i have to give you a pat or anything to acknowledge that atleast you have the balls to speak your mind. So congrats.***
I have ordered a 2LT and ABL was a major reason as to why i upgraded to a 2LT.
For those who are swearing, or are pissed off, please dont come to this specific thread, we understand that we have had alot of info on this car, but it doesnt make that big of a difference (we all love them for it believe us) but with orders already being locked in, it is definitly okay for people who have ordered to get pissed off.
But remember its not like the general public has had access like we have had. From what the general public may have seen on the site, and then ordered may believe that its on the dash like we did. Only difference is that now we have a heads-up that it maybe on the doors only. Now say 2 people who havent been on a message board like we have, and picks up his car on delivery, goes to turn on the Ambient Lighting and sees it on the doors only, do you think he would be upset, or happy? After seeing the image of ABL on the website or his salesman showing him on the chevy site.
Im suree that they will fix this problem, not just for us, but for themselves, this could really hurt their sales if they dont deliver what they promised. I just have that little worry in side of me, like others, that theyll use the excuse of "Product Model may Vary" to avoid a problem with it being on the doors only.
But we have had faith in them for years now, we can continue it for the next 3 weeks, and we'll see what happens.

[Caliman93230]

you want the truth..........

































































you can't handle the truth.

[StoutFiles]

I would think if enough people pushed this issue we'd get an answer. If Fbod says "please stop talking about it" and we all do that, we definitely won't get any answers.

It doesn't hurt to try, it's almost time to start building these cars and decisions are being made.