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ULTRAZLS1 · 01-28-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wbt

I will admit I can be abrasive at times and be seen as having a slanted view. But as you mentioned, not any-more-so than others who post here.

I wish I had taken my Camaro to the track to grab some times. I will never ask another owner to rip on their car at the track. It would turn disastrous if something went wrong. The best I can do is a comparison with local owners and their times regardless of driver mod. It's as close of a comparison as we can go off of unfortunately.

Fair enough.

Ill be going to the track this spring when Milan opens in early April. That track is 600ft and I should have comparable conditons.

Once I have some real world experience under my belt I will have more to say on this matter. My car only has light mods and an average tire on 20 inch rims so it should be interesting.

Speedy1975 · 01-28-2011, 04:27 PM

Well, several of us Challenger owners came down to Camaro5 Fest last April. We didn't really see too many Camaros that could beat a Challenger. Matter of fact, a Challenger ended up almost winning the fast shootout that was unlimited. He got knocked out by the cute gal driving the 68' that pulled wheelies

I've got plenty of videos I can post up as proof. I would say it's a driver's race. There was a guy in a Plum Crazy Purple R/T bone stock, with drive out tags still on the car and it was a 6 speed. I don't think a single Camaro he raced ever beat him, but he did have track experience.

What I've found is that while the SS M6 cars have more power, the R/T's 5.L has more torque, never mind the SRT8's torque and power.

Like I said, I have lots of friends on this site who love their Camaros, but to say one is blatantly faster than another between a Camaro and a Challenger is just not accurate.

Now the 2011 Mustang......that is something to be reckoned with, but try to drive one on a long trip.

It's all in what you want out of a car really. I can drive my Challenger across the country with three hot chicks in the car feeding me grapes, a cooler and luggage for all in the trunk, and hop out and feel like I've been sitting on the couch all day.

Camaro Freak · 01-28-2011, 04:30 PM

If I could not have my camaro, I would have chosen a challenger. Nice looking car. But a Mustang??? Now thats something I never intend to own.

TaylorRyanSS · 01-28-2011, 04:37 PM

I would take the 5.0 mustang over the SRT8 chally anyday... especially V6 vs V6. My 2005 V6 Mustang could take the V6 chally. lol

Camaro Freak · 01-28-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TaylorRyanSS

I would take the 5.0 mustang over the SRT8 chally anyday... especially V6 vs V6. My 2005 V6 Mustang could take the V6 chally. lol

Not in looks.

TaylorRyanSS · 01-28-2011, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro Freak

Not in looks.

I think the new mustangs look better than the challengers

Camaro Freak · 01-28-2011, 04:42 PM

You are in titled to your opinion.

TaylorRyanSS · 01-28-2011, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro Freak

You are in titled to your opinion.

ULTRAZLS1 · 01-28-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Well, several of us Challenger owners came down to Camaro5 Fest last April. We didn't really see too many Camaros that could beat a Challenger. Matter of fact, a Challenger ended up almost winning the fast shootout that was unlimited. He got knocked out by the cute gal driving the 68' that pulled wheelies

I've got plenty of videos I can post up as proof. I would say it's a driver's race. There was a guy in a Plum Crazy Purple R/T bone stock, with drive out tags still on the car and it was a 6 speed. I don't think a single Camaro he raced ever beat him, but he did have track experience.

What I've found is that while the SS M6 cars have more power, the R/T's 5.L has more torque, never mind the SRT8's torque and power.

Like I said, I have lots of friends on this site who love their Camaros, but to say one is blatantly faster than another between a Camaro and a Challenger is just not accurate.

Now the 2011 Mustang......that is something to be reckoned with, but try to drive one on a long trip.

It's all in what you want out of a car really. I can drive my Challenger across the country with three hot chicks in the car feeding me grapes, a cooler and luggage for all in the trunk, and hop out and feel like I've been sitting on the couch all day.

No car is blatantly faster than another unless they have the same driver same day same exact conditions.

Countless reviews and data compiled over the past few years show that the Camaro SS is faster than the challenger R/T. Quite a bit faster in LS3 form. It is also faster than the SRT-8.

Mustang has currently bested the camaro by .2 tenths in stock form. Much larger gap than that from SS to R/T. Around a half second. Power to weight shows this to be the blatantly obvious outcome as well.

Looking at trap speed and 1/4 mile data compiled thus far. The LS1 camaro is faster than the challenger R/T. If you have data to show otherwise I would be glad to see it. 4th gen has gone 12.8 stock. Trapped 109. 5th gen has gone 12.5 stock. Trapped up to 113.

Just using best case scenario complied over long periods of time to be fair. Just because person A beat person B on one day does not mean nearly as much as data complied over years worth of runs.

wbt · 01-28-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

No car is blatantly faster than another unless they have the same driver same day same exact conditions.

Countless reviews and data compiled over the past few years show that the Camaro SS is faster than the challenger R/T. Quite a bit faster in LS3 form. It is also faster than the SRT-8.

Mustang has currently bested the camaro by .2 tenths in stock form. Much larger gap than that from SS to R/T. Around a half second. Power to weight shows this to be the blatantly obvious outcome as well.

Looking at trap speed and 1/4 mile data compiled thus far. The LS1 camaro is faster than the challenger R/T. If you have data to show otherwise I would be glad to see it. 4th gen has gone 12.8 stock. Trapped 109. 5th gen has gone 12.5 stock. Trapped up to 113.

Just using best case scenario complied over long periods of time to be fair. Just because person A beat person B on one day does not mean nearly as much as data complied over years worth of runs.

Right but all of those runs are different tracks, different conditions. Like comparing one magazine time to another's. Not much to be gained there.

I prefer the real world comparison as Speedy suggested. Same track, same/similar conditions. Much more accurate.

mjf6866 · 01-28-2011, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

No car is blatantly faster than another unless they have the same driver same day same exact conditions.

Countless reviews and data compiled over the past few years show that the Camaro SS is faster than the challenger R/T. Quite a bit faster in LS3 form. It is also faster than the SRT-8.

Mustang has currently bested the camaro by .2 tenths in stock form. Much larger gap than that from SS to R/T. Around a half second. Power to weight shows this to be the blatantly obvious outcome as well.

Looking at trap speed and 1/4 mile data compiled thus far. The LS1 camaro is faster than the challenger R/T. If you have data to show otherwise I would be glad to see it. 4th gen has gone 12.8 stock. Trapped 109. 5th gen has gone 12.5 stock. Trapped up to 113.

Just using best case scenario complied over long periods of time to be fair. Just because person A beat person B on one day does not mean nearly as much as data complied over years worth of runs.

its gotta be extremely time consuming obtaining all this data from every track in America to be able to come to those conclusions! i mean who the hell has that kind of time?

i prefer heads up comparisons as Speedy and wbt already mentioned. bench racing does not tell me by what margin i'm going to win or lose when i line up to car A or B the next time i head to the track.

Stew · 01-28-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TaylorRyanSS

I would take the 5.0 mustang over the SRT8 chally anyday... especially V6 vs V6. My 2005 V6 Mustang could take the V6 chally. lol

Um, your 4.0 v6 would not take an 11 V6 Chally

TaylorRyanSS · 01-28-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stew

Um, your 4.0 v6 would not take an 11 V6 Chally

based on my research

Challenger SE
Average 0-60: mid to high 7s
Average 1/4 mile: mid to high 15s

2005 Mustang V6
Average 0-60: high 6s to low 7s
Average 1/4 mile: mid 15s

Drivers race with the edge to the Mustang IMO

PS I know this is bench racing but I researched this a lot and looked at numerous forum timeslips back when I had my Mustang. Irrelevant to me now since I no longer have it.

ULTRAZLS1 · 01-28-2011, 06:43 PM

I see.

So the fact that no R/T has ran within a half second of the camaro means nothing. Great...sounds very intelligent. I guess the camaro wipes the floor with the 5.0 just because I want it to then and no one can prove otherwise.

BTW...their was a challenger guy at the track on a day where nhra ran a 12.6. The othe guy had a modded RT that would not keep up with it.

Their was even a thread about it on challengertalk. (lets ignore that situation though)

the response? he had hidden mods etc. It was complete BS to everyone their.

go ahead and look it up.

01-28-2011, 04:30 PM	#101
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01-28-2011, 04:27 PM	#100
Speedy1975 FASTER! Drives: Challenger Hellcat, 2SS Camaro Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Middle Tennessee Posts: 2,244	Well, several of us Challenger owners came down to Camaro5 Fest last April. We didn't really see too many Camaros that could beat a Challenger. Matter of fact, a Challenger ended up almost winning the fast shootout that was unlimited. He got knocked out by the cute gal driving the 68' that pulled wheelies I've got plenty of videos I can post up as proof. I would say it's a driver's race. There was a guy in a Plum Crazy Purple R/T bone stock, with drive out tags still on the car and it was a 6 speed. I don't think a single Camaro he raced ever beat him, but he did have track experience. What I've found is that while the SS M6 cars have more power, the R/T's 5.L has more torque, never mind the SRT8's torque and power. Like I said, I have lots of friends on this site who love their Camaros, but to say one is blatantly faster than another between a Camaro and a Challenger is just not accurate. Now the 2011 Mustang......that is something to be reckoned with, but try to drive one on a long trip. It's all in what you want out of a car really. I can drive my Challenger across the country with three hot chicks in the car feeding me grapes, a cooler and luggage for all in the trunk, and hop out and feel like I've been sitting on the couch all day.

01-28-2011, 06:43 PM	#112
ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,418	I see. So the fact that no R/T has ran within a half second of the camaro means nothing. Great...sounds very intelligent. I guess the camaro wipes the floor with the 5.0 just because I want it to then and no one can prove otherwise. BTW...their was a challenger guy at the track on a day where nhra ran a 12.6. The othe guy had a modded RT that would not keep up with it. Their was even a thread about it on challengertalk. (lets ignore that situation though) the response? he had hidden mods etc. It was complete BS to everyone their. go ahead and look it up.