1st ding!! By an officer no less.

[6bloodychunks]

Originally Posted by Drago77

That SUCKS! !!! But I tell ya what- and I mentioned this in someone elses post too with a similar situation - its Florida, ONLY in.Florida! I don't know which it is, whether the vast majority of ppl entering the state are required by law to submit their common sense, or what, but its definitely a Florida thing!

It never fails, no matter how far out in the middle of no where I park, or how much room I leave, the biggest P.O.S. in the lot has to park right on my door, with literally 10-20 spots open at any given time!

Its almost like the bigger the P.O.S. it is, the more its attracted to nicer cars, and the the less respect the owner has for others property! Its an Fn' epidemic!

its not only in florida,

the other day i took my gf to target ,
i parked WAY out where there were no cars within 50 yards of me.

i come out to find a p.o.s ricer type car (with a big autobots symbol on it) parked 12" away from my passengers door.

it didnt do any damage to my car gladly.

but my gf couldnt even get in the car till i moved it.

i waited a while for them to come back out of the store (but my gf and son were bugging me to go eat so we left.

its everywhere!!! but i dont understand it,i wouldnt park any of the crappy cars ive owned so close to someone elses sweet car.

[KIZE]

What an a$$hole. Next time get the patrol car #. Or license plate. And snap a picture.

[Archias]

Thats kind of sad that a local police officer, who is supposed to be a model citizen and all, didnt even have the courtesy to man up to this simple mistake. It may be trivial, but something as simple as this can speak volumes about a person and the way they go about their lives.

I could only understand if perhaps a combative suspect was involved somehow, such as getting him out of the car, then perhaps it was overlooked. But if not, why not report it? Even if he did it, and he was in his patrol car, the city would have paid for it regardless, no?

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[heRS]

If anyone parked that close to my camaro I'd be snapping a shot of their license plate and an overview of how close the car was parked to mine. Just for backup, y'see. Would be NO question as to which patrol car was parked next to your car then.

[brantley847]

Ok, I am going to play the bad guy in this story then since no one else will...and let you know your rights as they relate to FL law.

How do you know it was him? Because he parked too close?...that isn't proof. I park close to people all the time in my truck. Somtimes on accident...sometimes because they are too damn close to the line. However, I don't hit them....

You and I can assume it was most likely him, but the courts won't honor that and nor will your insurance company unless you have paint transfer proof on his car when you see him again. If that is the case, then call his supervisor. You should have filed a hit and run crash report AT THAT TIME... If you left the scene and did not get one, then you utlimately left the scene of an accident without reporting as well (I know, it is cheesey..but that is how FL defines vehicle crashes). You will not get a report because of this. My agency does not take any reports if you have left the scene and there has been a time lapse of this long. It becomes an insurance issue....issurance now probably won't reimburse you for the damage because you won't be able to generate a crash report (most likely). Obviously, every department is different, but FL law permits them to refuse your request now. The law was created to protect people from motorist who cause accidents themselves such as hitting trees or signs..and later accusing a vehicle that is not on scene of causing the damage. Without that proof and without you staying on scene, that evidence is gone.

However, my issue with this story is you did not have a consistent visual on your vehicle. Any woman's purse (or man bag), bike, or another car that parked close to you could have very well done the exact same thing. You don't know. I am not trying to defend a lazy officer, if that indeed is what he/she is...but I cannot arrest or issue tickets for any "ordinary" citizen based on the evidence you just provided unless I have paint transfer on HIS CAR or YOU SAW IT..subsequently, that cop will be held to the same standard as everyone else.

Sorry to be the jerk, but that is what you have. Get pics of his car with the paint transfer, but it may amount to zero because based on FL LAW ...you left too.



....let the flaming begin

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by brantley847

Ok, I am going to play the bad guy in this story then since no one else will...and let you know your rights as they relate to FL law.

How do you know it was him? Because he parked too close?...that isn't proof. I park close to people all the time in my truck. Somtimes on accident...sometimes because they are too damn close to the line. However, I don't hit them....

You and I can assume it was most likely him, but the courts won't honor that and nor will your insurance company unless you have paint transfer proof on his car when you see him again. If that is the case, then call his supervisor. You should have filed a hit and run crash report AT THAT TIME... If you left the scene and did not get one, then you utlimately left the scene of an accident without reporting as well (I know, it is cheesey..but that is how FL defines vehicle crashes). You will not get a report because of this. My agency does not take any reports if you have left the scene and there has been a time lapse of this long. It becomes an insurance issue....issurance now probably won't reimburse you for the damage because you won't be able to generate a crash report (most likely). Obviously, every department is different, but FL law permits them to refuse your request now. The law was created to protect people from motorist who cause accidents themselves such as hitting trees or signs..and later accusing a vehicle that is not on scene of causing the damage. Without that proof and without you staying on scene, that evidence is gone.

However, my issue with this story is you did not have a consistent visual on your vehicle. Any woman's purse (or man bag), bike, or another car that parked close to you could have very well done the exact same thing. You don't know. I am not trying to defend a lazy officer, if that indeed is what he/she is...but I cannot arrest or issue tickets for any "ordinary" citizen based on the evidence you just provided unless I have paint transfer on HIS CAR or YOU SAW IT..subsequently, that cop will be held to the same standard as everyone else.

Sorry to be the jerk, but that is what you have. Get pics of his car with the paint transfer, but it may amount to zero because based on FL LAW ...you left too.



....let the flaming begin

Don't see any reason for anyone to flame you; Just stating the facts from the state law side. I will ask this. You say he left too.. However he stated he reported it to an OFFICER inside who took down the information and said he would find out who did it. I would think that would be considered filing a report.

One thing I will add, I don't know about Florida but in Tennessee if a wreck happens on private property officers cannot write a ticket to the parties involved unless someone is hurt. Only citations that officers can write would be parking in a handicap or fire lane that is registered by city hall, other than that it is left up to the insurance companies to figure out the party at fault… Unless something has changed in the last few years I don’t know about.

[SlingShot]

Ok Dave give me a hint where that outpost would be. I asked my wife and she has no idea, and she worked for PCSO at the jail on 49th ... Maybe by the finger print place down the road from there ? Either way that sucks, but hopefully they will make good on it ...

[brantley847]

Originally Posted by Memphis SS

Don't see any reason for anyone to flame you; Just stating the facts from the state law side. I will ask this. You say he left too.. However he stated he reported it to an OFFICER inside who took down the information and said he would find out who did it. I would think that would be considered filing a report.

One thing I will add, I don't know about Florida but in Tennessee if a wreck happens on private property officers cannot write a ticket to the parties involved unless someone is hurt. Only citations that officers can write would be parking in a handicap or fire lane that is registered by city hall, other than that it is left up to the insurance companies to figure out the party at fault… Unless something has changed in the last few years I don’t know about.

Give it an hour, I will get a bit of flame lol...

I read that the officer was informed...however, not sure if he saying he actually got a report or an inquiry for the officer. The inquiry will amount to very little for his insurance company. They would want a full case number and write up....which sounds like he didnt get. Now he could always go to small claims court for the officers NOT doing a report at the time if that is what he wanted. However, it sounds like he just wanted the officer or *cough* civilian to come through. That is not a formal request, so his claim may amount to nothing again...

Florida is different with "private" lots. A TRUE piece of private property, I cannot do a crash report on unless it results in death. However, Florida (and many other states) define parking lots WITH access to the public as - private public access lots. These allow anyone to come into the lot without the consequences of a private lot (trespass, vehicle tow) so they can shop or conduct business within their lots. It still gives the owner the right to tow a vehicle at their will as long as they have some of warning of a tow zone, but once you accept the classification with a city/county permit to be a PUBLIC ACCESS facility that gives law enforcement the authority to arrest, conduct traffic stops and crashes without a warrant. Warrant still required to enter the buildings, of course...

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by brantley847

Give it an hour, I will get a bit of flame lol...

I read that the officer was informed...however, not sure if he saying he actually got a report or an inquiry for the officer. The inquiry will amount to very little for his insurance company. They would want a full case number and write up....which sounds like he didnt get. Now he could always go to small claims court for the officers NOT doing a report at the time if that is what he wanted. However, it sounds like he just wanted the officer or *cough* civilian to come through. That is not a formal request, so his claim may amount to nothing again...

Florida is different with "private" lots. A TRUE piece of private property, I cannot do a crash report on unless it results in death. However, Florida (and many other states) define parking lots WITH access to the public as - private public access lots. These allow anyone to come into the lot without the consequences of a private lot (trespass, vehicle tow) so they can shop or conduct business within their lots. It still gives the owner the right to tow a vehicle at their will as long as they have some of warning of a tow zone, but once you accept the classification with a city/county permit to be a PUBLIC ACCESS facility that gives law enforcement the authority to arrest, conduct traffic stops and crashes without a warrant. Warrant still required to enter the buildings, of course...

Got you... That makes sense. I'm not in law enforcement so I can't speak for sure what exactly MPD can and can't do. My wife is an insurance agent and also worked in claims for years and she told me the local authorities never writes tickets for fender benders in mall lots or shopping centers unless it involves injuries, the insurance company would have to investigate the accident and work with the other person insurance to determine fault. Sometimes it would come down to the repairs being done under each of their own policy. I work in Security electronics for Homeland Security and Law Enforcement so I talk to officers all the time about projects, may ask one of them next time I'm downtown on a project about it.

[daveagogo1]

Originally Posted by brantley847

Ok, I am going to play the bad guy in this story then since no one else will...and let you know your rights as they relate to FL law.

How do you know it was him? Because he parked too close?...that isn't proof. I park close to people all the time in my truck. Somtimes on accident...sometimes because they are too damn close to the line. However, I don't hit them....

You and I can assume it was most likely him, but the courts won't honor that and nor will your insurance company unless you have paint transfer proof on his car when you see him again. If that is the case, then call his supervisor. You should have filed a hit and run crash report AT THAT TIME... If you left the scene and did not get one, then you utlimately left the scene of an accident without reporting as well (I know, it is cheesey..but that is how FL defines vehicle crashes). You will not get a report because of this. My agency does not take any reports if you have left the scene and there has been a time lapse of this long. It becomes an insurance issue....issurance now probably won't reimburse you for the damage because you won't be able to generate a crash report (most likely). Obviously, every department is different, but FL law permits them to refuse your request now. The law was created to protect people from motorist who cause accidents themselves such as hitting trees or signs..and later accusing a vehicle that is not on scene of causing the damage. Without that proof and without you staying on scene, that evidence is gone.

However, my issue with this story is you did not have a consistent visual on your vehicle. Any woman's purse (or man bag), bike, or another car that parked close to you could have very well done the exact same thing. You don't know. I am not trying to defend a lazy officer, if that indeed is what he/she is...but I cannot arrest or issue tickets for any "ordinary" citizen based on the evidence you just provided unless I have paint transfer on HIS CAR or YOU SAW IT..subsequently, that cop will be held to the same standard as everyone else.

Sorry to be the jerk, but that is what you have. Get pics of his car with the paint transfer, but it may amount to zero because based on FL LAW ...you left too.



....let the flaming begin

. This was reported to the sgt on duty. This is a closed parking lot. Noone but my company and the leos park their. No offenders are brought to this location. The vehicle was looked at before the officer parked next to me and while parked and was fine. I actually do have a photo of where my car was parked along with a report and the damage. I also have two witnesses that a cruiser was the vehicle parked next to me. I really do not care about the money. Its the principal and I don't need a court or the law to tell me this leo is an ahole for not fessing up. Obviously I had enough proof that I received a call today to get an estimate and it would be paid for. Your right law is the law but doesn't make it right does it? All I ask is to man up.. I have and would

[daveagogo1]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

Ok Dave give me a hint where that outpost would be. I asked my wife and she has no idea, and she worked for PCSO at the jail on 49th ... Maybe by the finger print place down the road from there ? Either way that sucks, but hopefully they will make good on it ...

Hahah. Very close man. 140th ave right across from jail pretty much. Down at the end. They have an outpost for a team that serves warrants. The backside is where the arrest team parks along with me and 2 coworkers.

[wrbear]

Originally Posted by brantley847

Give it an hour, I will get a bit of flame lol...

I read that the officer was informed...however, not sure if he saying he actually got a report or an inquiry for the officer. The inquiry will amount to very little for his insurance company. They would want a full case number and write up....which sounds like he didnt get. Now he could always go to small claims court for the officers NOT doing a report at the time if that is what he wanted. However, it sounds like he just wanted the officer or *cough* civilian to come through. That is not a formal request, so his claim may amount to nothing again...

Florida is different with "private" lots. A TRUE piece of private property, I cannot do a crash report on unless it results in death. However, Florida (and many other states) define parking lots WITH access to the public as - private public access lots. These allow anyone to come into the lot without the consequences of a private lot (trespass, vehicle tow) so they can shop or conduct business within their lots. It still gives the owner the right to tow a vehicle at their will as long as they have some of warning of a tow zone, but once you accept the classification with a city/county permit to be a PUBLIC ACCESS facility that gives law enforcement the authority to arrest, conduct traffic stops and crashes without a warrant. Warrant still required to enter the buildings, of course...

This is very interesting. So if it was a police officer then he/she knew what to expect and the odds of having to own up. I'm sure the person knew the law as you do. If it was a citizen then, well, they go by their own rules and conscience. From the description this is not something that would not go un-noticed by the driver. I always cringe at the thought someone will get the RED ARS when I park over the line even when it's not intruding on someone else’s space. e.g. a corner spot. I always worry someone is going to leave a message on my car for doing it. I think this was deliberately sending a message. So the car was probably beat up or the person didn't care about their wheels or it was being paid for by tax money which would give someone the same feeling. Way too hard to figure this one out. Sorry to hear about this happening to you. It happened to me with a 2 month old car many years ago. Keyed from front to back. So is this a public lot or private between the 2 businesses?

[camaroitalia]

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[mws444]

Originally Posted by daveagogo1

. This was reported to the sgt on duty. This is a closed parking lot. Noone but my company and the leos park their. No offenders are brought to this location. The vehicle was looked at before the officer parked next to me and while parked and was fine. I actually do have a photo of where my car was parked along with a report and the damage. I also have two witnesses that a cruiser was the vehicle parked next to me. I really do not care about the money. Its the principal and I don't need a court or the law to tell me this leo is an ahole for not fessing up. Obviously I had enough proof that I received a call today to get an estimate and it would be paid for. Your right law is the law but doesn't make it right does it? All I ask is to man up.. I have and would

+1!!

Truth is there are a lot of very good leos out there, but even they will tell you there are a few A/H's among the ranks. I know of one traffic cop that would write citations to fellow officers, he is no longer a leo. I have also known of a few others fired for breaking the laws they have swarn to uphold. I know it is sad but true.

I once witnessed an idiot trying to move a shopping cart while driving trying to steer it with his left hand out the window. Jack A** hit a new Suburban then just let go, parked and tried to leave. My being 6'4" did not let that happen and the idiot had to leave his info for the driver, I even waited to make sure she got it.

I am lucky to have other vehicles to drive, I feel for all the daily drivers out there in harms way from idiots and A/H's.