2012 Camaro ZL 1 VS CTS V coupe

[newagemuscle]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

25 lbs per wheel.

That can't be true. The stock wheels only weigh 32 lbs.

I think that was a total... If that was true I would want some 7lb wheels.

[zero]

Remember the teaser video:

Were not going to meet your expectations
Were going to exceed them

I`m sure it will not only beat the GT500 at every performance test but will also be quicker than the CTS-V

They would not name it the ZL1 without it being able to kick ass against all it`s competition.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by danraz98

What u think? I must say I'm impressed with the ZL 1 although to me so far it seems like a 21 years old's version of the CTS V Coupe. I personally think the ZL 1 would take this one what u guys think?

I think the CTS Sedan will still top the ZL1...

[Darkflow]

Originally Posted by Autobots

Not sure what will be faster. But while the live chat was goin on with the ppl from gm the other day, Someone ask if the zl1 will keep up with the gt500? and one of the ppl from gm said
Better yet do you think the gt500 will keep with the zl1?

Just sounds to me like they are saying its more then a little faster, But still to early to tell, But do we knoe it will be one bad mofo for sure.

Well of course a GM rep is going to say that, the car is supposed to go against the GT500. Do you think by saying "yea it should keep up with the gt500" be a smart thing to say? You cant have doubts on a car like this or even show any doubts being that you work for GM.

We will only know which car will be the better one untill this car is released and we see track times. Car Mag times dont count to me, usually some guys who really cant drive the cars that well will run them.

[Darkflow]

Originally Posted by zero

Remember the teaser video:

Were not going to meet your expectations
Were going to exceed them

I`m sure it will not only beat the GT500 at every performance test but will also be quicker than the CTS-V

They would not name it the ZL1 without it being able to kick ass against all it`s competition.

The competition has time to upgrade by the time this car hits the streets. That's where the problem is.....

As far as we know, Shelby may already be planning what he wants to do to upgrade the GT500 and stomp this car. I believe they recently switched from iron to aluminum blocks. Lost some weight there. Shelby isnt going down without a fight thats for sure.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by Darkflow

The competition has time to upgrade by the time this car hits the streets. That's where the problem is.....

As far as we know, Shelby may already be planning what he wants to do to upgrade the GT500 and stomp this car. I believe they recently switched from iron to aluminum blocks. Lost some weight there. Shelby isnt going down without a fight thats for sure.

That can be true, but what are the probabilities of Ford making any significant changes to the GT500 in time for January 2012? It's possible, but I really don't see Ford responding to the ZL1 until the next model year after. The SS ruled against ever other car in it's price range, then the 5.0 came to put a cap on that, now the ZL1 is here looking for the GT500.

I think we can go ahead and call it this early, GM has engineered a car specifically designed to defeat the GT500. And the way they're talking, even a simple tune may not be enough for the GT500 to overcome this car. Now I'm not taking away the GT500's ability to make big power with little modification, but currently the GT500 has some problems that a simple tune will not fix. If Ford wants to go even with the ZL1 or even "best" it, they need to get to work NOW, and have the car ready for the ZL's release.

[midnighter]

Either way I'd take the Camaro.

[Orbit Orange]

25 lbs per wheel.

That can't be true. The stock wheels only weigh 32 lbs.

I think that was a total... If that was true I would want some 7lb wheels.

I think you guys hit the nail on the head. I'm not sure where the 100 lbs. in wheels came from. 100 pounds of overall weight seems more legitimate. That 7 pound wheel would have to be made of styrofoam. Thanks for sharing the weight of the stock wheels. Makes the 25 pound or so 17 inch stockers on my GTO seem absolutely light. You guys must get a workout when rotating your tires.

[Darkflow]

Originally Posted by Mr CLuTcH

That can be true, but what are the probabilities of Ford making any significant changes to the GT500 in time for January 2012? It's possible, but I really don't see Ford responding to the ZL1 until the next model year after. The SS ruled against ever other car in it's price range, then the 5.0 came to put a cap on that, now the ZL1 is here looking for the GT500.

I think we can go ahead and call it this early, GM has engineered a car specifically designed to defeat the GT500. And the way they're talking, even a simple tune may not be enough for the GT500 to overcome this car. Now I'm not taking away the GT500's ability to make big power with little modification, but currently the GT500 has some problems that a simple tune will not fix. If Ford wants to go even with the ZL1 or even "best" it, they need to get to work NOW, and have the car ready for the ZL's release.

True, and im sure Fords more concerned on the release of their Boss 302 for the moment but we've been here talking about this car for so long and just recently got proof that his badboy is coming. How do we know Ford hasnt been preparing for this? Im sure they have been hearing the rumors, payed some attention to this and payed very close attention at the autoshow. It makes it interesting to see though and im happy the muscle wars are back. We may start getting the best of both brands now....

Now if only Dodge got their heads out of there ass and realize, they need to lose some weight, and fix the tranny's in those Challengers, not just up the engine size. They could have a contender...

[Ron66Vette&10SS]

Originally Posted by Orbit Orange

25 pounds per wheel????? I missed that info. I need to check that out if true.

ZL1 Wheels AND Tires weigh 23lbs lighter TOTAL for all 4 compared to the weight of all 4 SS Wheels & Tires.

[Mr CLuTcH]

Originally Posted by Darkflow

True, and im sure Fords more concerned on the release of their Boss 302 for the moment but we've been here talking about this car for so long and just recently got proof that his badboy is coming. How do we know Ford hasnt been preparing for this? Im sure they have been hearing the rumors, payed some attention to this and payed very close attention at the autoshow. It makes it interesting to see though and im happy the muscle wars are back. We may start getting the best of both brands now....

Now if only Dodge got their heads out of there ass and realize, they need to lose some weight, and fix the tranny's in those Challengers, not just up the engine size. They could have a contender...

Well, when the ZL1 is involved, I'm not concerned too much with the GT500 at all. But since you brought up Dodge, let's touch up that topic a little,.....dodge has increased they're 6.1 SRT engine into a whopping 6.4L @ 465 horsepower/torque,....that is a hell of a gain, on paper, when you look at it. The only problem I have with that is that, I really don't see how Chevy is going to respond with the SS, because they're focused on the ZL1. The new SRTs are here, and they're probably faster than both SS models. What will Chevy do to tip the scale in our favor.

I mean give or take, the new dodge's won't be ahead of a LS3 by much really, especially with a good driver, but with the new power bump, I still see them being ahead enough to win. And we hear of no plans of either SS getting a power bump, a tune, or anything! It's kinda upsetting. Oh wait,.....us current owners can still mod.

[WadeWilson]

Originally Posted by newagemuscle

I think that was a total... If that was true I would want some 7lb wheels.

[thePill]

If the ZL1 comes with the 6L90 Hydra-matic it will be hands down the faster out of the two drivetrain's. If the 6L90 is used, the ZL1 will not use a 3.73 final gear ratio. The fastest CTS-V uses the 6 auto and has a 3.23 final gear ratio and manages a 4 second 0-60 and a 12.3@117.7mph. The reason you can't just simply equip the 6L90 with 3.73s is because the 1st gear ratio is a steep 4.02 compared to the stock SS's 6060 with M10 geared 1st gear of 3.01 (uses a 3.45 final). The ZL1 will use a 6060 MG9 that uses a 2.66 1st gear ratio so 3.73s is doable, if you were to use 3.73s in a 6L90, first gear would be useless...

The Tremec 6060 CTS-V is consistent with 4.2/4.3 0-60s and 12.5/12.6@116mph, If the ZL1 doesn't have a 6L90 offering the CTS-V auto will destroy it, especially if place into the hands of magazine testers.

Edit: I'm reading mixed reports of the 1st gear ratio of the 6L90, some say 4.03, some say 4.02... splitting hairs I guess but mixed information none the less..

[nhra stocker]

Originally Posted by thePill

If the ZL1 comes with the 6L90 Hydra-matic it will be hands down the faster out of the two drivetrain's. If the 6L90 is used, the ZL1 will not use a 3.73 final gear ratio. The fastest CTS-V uses the 6 auto and has a 3.23 final gear ratio and manages a 4 second 0-60 and a 12.3@117.7mph. The reason you can't just simply equip the 6L90 with 3.73s is because the 1st gear ratio is a steep 4.02 compared to the stock SS's 6060 with M10 geared 1st gear of 3.01 (uses a 3.45 final). The ZL1 will use a 6060 MG9 that uses a 2.66 1st gear ratio so 3.73s is doable, if you were to use 3.73s in a 6L90, first gear would be useless...

The Tremec 6060 CTS-V is consistent with 4.2/4.3 0-60s and 12.5/12.6@116mph, If the ZL1 doesn't have a 6L90 offering the CTS-V auto will destroy it, especially if place into the hands of magazine testers.

(Hands down , Destroy it!) may be a lil extreme until put into the hands of someone that can drive a stick car with the proper gearing and bite. There's no doubt the auto will be more consistent. However my money is on Evan Smith type driver over the auto. Only time will tell!