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Old 02-18-2011, 10:55 AM   #267
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:28 AM   #268
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:36 PM   #269
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Umm... no. Try again.
Hey don't get me wrong I LOVE the ZL1 and if I had the money I'd be ponying up for one. My only arguement is that the car is not THAT much of a bargain when you factor in the choices available in the aftermarket for improving the the SS.

If you can get a classic car to clean up at the Optima Utimate Street Car Challange than I don't see how you can't with a car that has 40 years of technological advancements engineered into it.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:41 PM   #270
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I guess I am in the minority. I had a ridiculous 5th Gen SS. The ZL1 starts the game at a higher level than the SS. When we are done with the tweaks on the ZL1 we expect to have a RIDICULOUS Camaro. We feel we can get two more seconds out of it at the Optima challenge putting us in the 1.48 range in a luxury performance coupe.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:50 PM   #271
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After reading many posts in this thread, I think once the price is announced in the 4th quarter of this year, there are going to be a lot of members sorely disappointed. I think the price is going to be on the very high end of the estimates. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to have one but I'm not willing to empty my bank account on one. Please GM don't screw the pooch on this one!
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:16 PM   #272
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What I think it comes down to is this, Where does GM wanna go with this ? Do they want to mop the floor with the GT500 or do they want to match it in price. I hope the Zl1 would having a starting msrp of 44,995, but really look more on the lines of 49,995-55,000

50 grand for CTS-V performance doesn't sound half bad to me, anything lower would be a double win.

Either way , Love the Zl1
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:17 PM   #273
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Hey don't get me wrong I LOVE the ZL1 and if I had the money I'd be ponying up for one. My only arguement is that the car is not THAT much of a bargain when you factor in the choices available in the aftermarket for improving the the SS.

If you can get a classic car to clean up at the Optima Utimate Street Car Challange than I don't see how you can't with a car that has 40 years of technological advancements engineered into it.
It's been said before by others, but I'll say it again. There is no way in HELL that you or anybody will be able to turn an SS into a ZL1 (and all it's myriad improvements) for anywhere near what GM is charging for it.

Also, keep in mind, the GM guys said that the car only shares 33% of it's components with the SS, everything else has been upgraded to one extent or another.

In response to your last sentence. The cars at the Optima Challenge are merely shells of classic muscle cars. Everything underneath from the motors, to the suspension, to the brakes are brand new, top-of-the-line aftermarket technology. Each of those cars most likely costs upwards of $70K-$85K to build when it's all said and done, so I would hope they could beat mildly modified newer cars that retain many of the stock parts.
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:39 PM   #274
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I hope the a la carte for the ZL1 could mean keep the performance goodies and option the luxury.

What we need is for the ZL1 to be within the GT500 range.
If that is the competition.

2011 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Coupe, 5.4L 4V SC V8 Engine, 6-Speed Manual Transmission
$48,645 not including "destination charge"
Except, now add $3495 for the SVT package to get the forged wheels, 3.73 rear, high performance brakes, and the handling package.

Now the GT500 is 52K and some change, not including destination. Apples to apples here folks. I would love for the ZL1 to come in under this price, have no idea if it will, but the comparison in price needs to be on similarly equipped vehicles.
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Old 02-18-2011, 05:53 PM   #275
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[QUOTE=Revo1;2842495]Nice ride dude! 4th gen =

stop whoring out you car and yes i said WHORING LOL j/k
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It might start @ $47,000(which i highly doubt) but let's assume it does, add some "options", add tax/tags and you are easily well over $50,000+ , if not more..my bet is that GM will have a few "option" levels to pick from.. I'm betting this car will easily be a $55,000 ride...my guess.. and if you do decide to trade in your 2010/2011 Camaro and you still have alot left on your payoff, good luck with a reasonable monthly payment plan..this car is going to be Expensive for alot of folks..
...let them eat cake!!!....LOL..this car is to die for, whatever it takes..no matter the price..I will make the sacrifice. It has it's target consumer group for sure, and I am in the middle of the bullseye. Not wealthy, just a middle class working guy who is a life long Camaro enthusiast. Some things you just must have. It will be reasonably priced for what you will get. 53K is well within that range. All hail the ZL1. Chevy will deliver bigtime on this product. It will make believers out of nay sayers. I can't wait to see the finished product and options. Pleasant dreams Ford and Chrysler, sleep tight.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:42 PM   #277
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...let them eat cake!!!....LOL..this car is to die for, whatever it takes..no matter the price..I will make the sacrifice. It has it's target consumer group for sure, and I am in the middle of the bullseye. Not wealthy, just a middle class working guy who is a life long Camaro enthusiast. Some things you just must have. It will be reasonably priced for what you will get. 53K is well within that range. All hail the ZL1. Chevy will deliver bigtime on this product. It will make believers out of nay sayers. I can't wait to see the finished product and options. Pleasant dreams Ford and Chrysler, sleep tight.
I agree. The less expensive they can get it without sacrificing, the better. BTW where in Jersey are you?
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Old 02-19-2011, 09:29 AM   #278
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It's been said before by others, but I'll say it again. There is no way in HELL that you or anybody will be able to turn an SS into a ZL1 (and all it's myriad improvements) for anywhere near what GM is charging for it.

Also, keep in mind, the GM guys said that the car only shares 33% of it's components with the SS, everything else has been upgraded to one extent or another.

In response to your last sentence. The cars at the Optima Challenge are merely shells of classic muscle cars. Everything underneath from the motors, to the suspension, to the brakes are brand new, top-of-the-line aftermarket technology. Each of those cars most likely costs upwards of $70K-$85K to build when it's all said and done, so I would hope they could beat mildly modified newer cars that retain many of the stock parts.
Na our modified will not be anything like the zl1, they'll be better and us modified guys are waiting for the 10 of you on this site who will actually buy one. Polish that ZL1 badge nice and pretty, its the only thing your gonna have to brag about against the modders
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Old 02-19-2011, 10:43 AM   #279
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Na our modified will not be anything like the zl1, they'll be better and us modified guys are waiting for the 10 of you on this site who will actually buy one. Polish that ZL1 badge nice and pretty, its the only thing your gonna have to brag about against the modders
And if a modder buys and mods a ZL1 which side of the car war would they be on?

We do business with LPE. There are some AWESOME LPE SS Camaros on the road with all the goodies. When LPE gets thier first ZL1 I am reasonably confident they will have it running stronger than the SS. They do C6 Vettes, Z06 Vettes and ZL1 Vettes.
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Old 02-19-2011, 11:17 AM   #280
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And if a modder buys and mods a ZL1 which side of the car war would they be on?

We do business with LPE. There are some AWESOME LPE SS Camaros on the road with all the goodies. When LPE gets thier first ZL1 I am reasonably confident they will have it running stronger than the SS. They do C6 Vettes, Z06 Vettes and ZL1 Vettes.
I'm with Pete. Modified zl1 trumps modified SS. Look at the fastlane ctsv with ls9 supercharger conversion.
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