1/4 mile time might not be as good as everyone hopes

[Silver Streak]

Originally Posted by wjones14

You picked the wrong example with Juan Pablo Montoya.

In his first full NASCAR season in 2007, he won the Infineon race at Sonoma, in a field of 43 drivers. You don't win a NASCAR road race unless you are a good driver. He had 3 Top 5 finishes, and 6 Top 10 finishes.

Sam Hornish is a better example than JPM.

Agreed! Juan did pretty damn good for 1st in cup series racing I thought!

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by wjones14

This always makes me laugh. So the testers at Car and Driver can't drive? Do you have any idea who they are?

Try Patrick Bedard, who raced twice in the Indy 500. Or Csaba Cere, who has competed in a ton of 24-hour events, and has driven every kind of car you can imagine, up to Nascar and F1 cars. You think these guys don't know how to drive?

My point is that you can't make a blanket statement like that. If all the magazines are getting similar numbers, why not just accept it?

And Car And Driver did test a 6-speed manual GXP when they got the 13.3 @ 109 mph 1/4 mile run, for those who think it was an auto.

ok let me clarify what I meant. . .THEY CAN'T launch a car worth anything at a drag strip. and that's why I know this car will be a 12 second car in my hands. I'm speaking from personal experience.

[1_2Many]

Well if the "launch assistance" works as advertised this car is going to put down very consistant times...i'm hoping for 12.9's.

[MerF]

Originally Posted by spd98

These cars both lane walk terribly.

These cars are not 10 second cars out of the box, lane walk isn't going to be that big of a deal.

[1GMFanatik]

Here is a DAMN good example as to the potential of the new Camaro STOCK.. My 08 TBSS RWD BONE STOCK with ONLY removing the spare tire, ran 13.5 at 102mph. Granted the weather was perfect, but still damn good times for a 4600lb brick on wheels.

LS1 Powered Camaro's and T/A's have hit high 12's bone stock. I don't see there being any issues what so ever with the new Camaro hitting mid to high 12's all day long.

By the way, Car and Driver and Motor Trend seem to lean towards imports with their positive comments on vehicles. JMO... They tested a stock C6 Z06 and their best times were mid to high 11's. I was at a local track rental and personally seen a BONE STOCK, with a tire, C6 Z06 run 11.0's all day long. That same driver has hit 10.9's.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by Paul

I have watched this site for over a year now and i finally couldnt stand it and had to join so i could post.....I have had 6 mustangs in the past anywhere from my wifes stock convertible to my 10 second mustang....the GXP is running 109 mph with an auto..the 6 speed version should be about 111 at least 2mph faster....anyway my point is i have tons of 1/4 mile passes at 11.9-12.2 at 110mph....so the new camaro with drag radials with 1.8 60's will run deep into the 12's at probably 110-112 mph.....with some drivers getting into the 11's stock

Maybe you can enlighten us on how you can defy the laws of physics and get a 3860lb vehicle (curb weight, no driver) down in the deep 12's, let alone the 11's?

Let's take what we know about the car so far. The stick version of the SS weighs 3860lbs. If the driver only weighed 150lbs, that would put the weight of the car at 4010lbs. Now, let's say the engine is under-rated at 426hp and actually makes 440hp. We will also assume only a 15% drivetrain loss with the manual int he car. That gives us 374hp to the wheels. A car weighing 4010lbs with 374hp, with ideal conditions, should cover the 1/4 mile in about 12.8x seconds. That's a far cry from deep 12's, let alone 11's.

I guess it depends on what your definition of a stock car is.

[CynAgain]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Maybe you can enlighten us on how you can defy the laws of physics and get a 3860lb vehicle (curb weight, no driver) down in the deep 12's, let alone the 11's?

Let's take what we know about the car so far. The stick version of the SS weighs 3860lbs. If the driver only weighed 150lbs, that would put the weight of the car at 4010lbs. Now, let's say the engine is under-rated at 426hp and actually makes 440hp. We will also assume only a 15% drivetrain loss with the manual int he car. That gives us 374hp to the wheels. A car weighing 4010lbs with 374hp, with ideal conditions, should cover the 1/4 mile in about 12.8x seconds. That's a far cry from deep 12's, let alone 11's.

I guess it depends on what your definition of a stock car is.

Loving the logic! My car will be less than 4000lbs w/ me in it.

Originally Posted by Robin Lawrence

I love this thread

I should be able to post some numbers in late March. I should be able to have my car at the NMCA opener in Bradenton Florida on March 27th through 29th.

I will have dyno numbers as well before we run at Bradenton.

Stay tuned.......

Robin

[Lumina SS]

Originally Posted by wjones14

The 13.3 @ 109 mph was from Car And Driver in a 6M GXP with LS3. There is no GXP with an LS2.

In kuwait we have CR8 with LS2 6.0 engine 400 horsepower....

[Lumina SS]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

As far as I know there is no LS2 G8 GXP. Did you mean L76 in the GT: 6.0L 360 hp?

In Kuwait my car the Lumina ss is L76

[spd98]

Originally Posted by MerF

These cars are not 10 second cars out of the box, lane walk isn't going to be that big of a deal.

This is not true. I have seen it MANY times in GTO's and other IRS cars that were only 12 sec cars. I actually have a video of a VERY experienced Fbody racer( literally hundreds of passes in 10 to 12 sec cars) driving a GTO with slicks and crossing the center line at valdosta.

[Paul]

weight doesnt matter look at what the GXP has already accomplished 13.0 at 109.6??? look at the trap speed that is a sign of horsepower to weight...the new camaro should since its lighter and a few more ponies should TRAP speed 112 that my friend with the shelby is 11 second mph....dont forget i will be in the 1.8 60's and will powershift this car which means once i launch i will not let off the throttle to shift my 6 speed manual....you have 740 hp whats your best et at the track? my mustang that ran 10.80's at 125 mph but let me tell you what it dynoed to the wheels 410 hp and 445 lb of torque and the car with me in it weighed 3400....on slicks 1.58 60's..on nitto's 11.20's with 1.75-1.8 60's...BTW if you read the corvette forums almost all the 2009 ls3's are dynoing 400 to the wheels

[boxmonkeyracing]

I love bench racing. Everyone forgets all sorts of factors that add up to a great et.

Gearing, 60 ft, trap, weight, and CoD. Etc.

When someone throughs the weight factor around says a car can't do something, I laugh. When someone says it's all about the trap, I laugh. Oh well love bench racing we'll see who can drive these cars after we get them. People will be amazed at some of them. I gurantee it.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Gary B

Only 350rwhp? Don't forgot, we are talking about an LT1 here, not an LS1. Remember, they were rated at 300 at the crank stock. I also said about 350...could be higher, I never had it dynoed after all was done. Figure the new one will put at least 375 at the wheels.

Im well aware that we are talking about an LT1. but that still didnt answer my question. what h/c did you throw on the car. full bolt on LT1s have dyno'd 340+ you can get a h/c package from AI that will easily put you into the 400+ range

Originally Posted by spd98

I think talking about racing an IRS car with slicks and breaking parts is funny. Most people on this site haven't ever ran an IRS car much less one with slicks. This is not a F body and it will not run like one. Running slocks on most IRS cars is not comfortable and can be down right dangerous. Look at the number of gto's and the number of g8's that have tried it and won't do it again. These cars both lane walk terribly.

well one thing to keep in mind is that the gto's didnt come with the rear that this car is coming with.

gto's have had a lot of problems with wheel hop. as do some vettes. thats why GM is incorporating the vette rear with asymmetrical half shafts to counter that

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

I love bench racing. Everyone forgets all sorts of factors that add up to a great et.

Bench racing FTW

[wjones14]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wjones14
The 13.3 @ 109 mph was from Car And Driver in a 6M GXP with LS3. There is no GXP with an LS2.

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Originally Posted by Lumina SS

In kuwait we have CR8 with LS2 6.0 engine 400 horsepower....

Okay, and what does that have to do with anything? That's great you have a Chevy CR8 - sounds like a nice car. But we were talking about a Pontiac GXP. There is no GXP with an LS2.