February 2011 Camaro Sales and Production Figures

[AUS10BMX]

Besides ffrcobra-65, I love how the Mustang owners love to jump in this thread every time it is put out, and posts several novels about what they "think they know", haha.

Just be stoked on your car and drive it, get over it!

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by Enator

Almost 42,514 unsold

Production minus US sales does not equal inventory.

The Camaro is sold in other countries (Canada, Mexico, Middle East, Europe, and more)

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by thePill

I don't think you understand the way sales work, a delivery is a sale between GM and the GM dealer. It does not matter if the dealer cannot get rid of them or not.. If that dealer has 27 Mustangs on his lot that is his stupid fault. A dealer will generally order a handful unless it is a high value car. GM or Ford does not track the vehicle beyond invoice purchases.. That would be a nightmare...

That is completely FALSE.

Deliveries are recorded as the delivery to the ultimate customer. The data comes from the dealers.

From GM's press release:
"General Motors total sales in the United States rose 49 percent in February, as dealers reported 207,028 deliveries for the company’s four brands."

[25thanniversary]

proud to help out on sells bought my camaro Feb 27th and I am proud to have the number 1 sports car out there

[RLHMARINES]

Ford just mortgaged the bank and had a fire sale earlier because they were in worst shape than GM before the banking industry went down the crapper. And ford did receive gov't money, just not what was termed as bail out money per se. But it's all good because if I was to put my money on anything it would be to help my fellow man. Especially my middle class/upper lower class workers who would have been jobless due to no fault of their own. It's far better to have a person keep a good job than to have him collect unemployment and loose his lively hood.

As a veteran, I chose like every other person who has ever donned the uniform, to put our own well being after the that of our nation and those who cannot help defend themselves. We do it blindly with faith because it's the right thing to do.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by AUS10BMX

Besides ffrcobra-65, I love how the Mustang owners love to jump in this thread every time it is put out, and posts several novels about what they "think they know", haha.

Just be stoked on your car and drive it, get over it!

Well, I am a car lover, not a brand lover. In just the past 10 years, I bought cars from Chevy, Ford, BMW, Nissan, VW.... at least 2 cars from each company. I like cars, period.

I spend my hard earned $$ for a product from a company, I enjoy the product for what it is, and that is about it. I could care less if they sell 1 million of the stuff I bought. I got mine and that is where it ends. If I own the company then I would be a crazed advocate for it otherwise, fan-boyism is senseless IMHO and some folks are way too passionate about something they absolutely have no stake in whatsoever.

[SSLarry]

So no one really knows where there numbers come from, so how can we trust them? Some spastic rodent site that doesn't work? We can't do shit with these numbers until we know the source. Not even worth quoting them.

[Maurdib]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

Let's all hope, for our economy's sake and the sake of the thousands of people employed by GM, that it will continue to make cars that people will buy.

GM begged and borrowed > $50 billion to stay afloat.

Last year, GM had trouble paying it back.

http://www.aolnews.c...ch-did-it-cost/

http://www.openmarke...-bailout-money/

Ford doesn't have as big a worry.

Are you serious, GM just had 4.7 billion dollar profit margin, All debts are paid and money is being made and bonuses are being handed out. Get over the bail out already, Ford wanted one to but backed out

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

some folks are way too passionate about something they absolutely have no stake in whatsoever.

Me personally, my passion is the Camaro, not GM. To some it is just a car. I'm sorry, I can't relate to that type of thinking when it comes to my SS. It is so much more than that. Some can understand that, some cannot and that's okay. I don't question peoples passions. It makes them who they are, and that's good thing.

[thePill]

Originally Posted by ChuckD

That is completely FALSE.

Deliveries are recorded as the delivery to the ultimate customer. The data comes from the dealers.

From GM's press release:
"General Motors total sales in the United States rose 49 percent in February, as dealers reported 207,028 deliveries for the company’s four brands."

Oh god!!!!

GM does not see the profit from MSRP so why would they track 3500 dealerships, the profits are figured from invoice!!!

Yes GM just ships all of its dealerships the cars as they produce them without the dealer having any say in the matter and without ever recieving any money for those vehicles.. JUST SHIP, SHIP, SHIP!!!.... I didn't sell my stock!!! Oh too bad heres another 20 Camaro's!!!

Special orders fulfill over 90% of all orders done at the dealership...
I walk in and order the car, bank gives me the money.. money goes to the dealer then to Ford/GM. For those of us that buy from the lot, those orders were counted as deliveries the moment the dealer bought them, months ago... ENCS does not report any sales of any vehicle to Ford or Dodge, because the sales delivery takes place when Ford recieves payment... Why would Ford or GM just start shipping cars without receiving any money!!!

Once money is received, that is a sale because the invoice is what monthly profits are figured from, NOT MSRP.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS

Me personally, my passion is the Camaro, not GM. To some it is just a car. I'm sorry, I can't relate to that type of thinking when it comes to my SS. It is so much more than that. Some can understand that, some cannot and that's okay. I don't question peoples passions. It makes them who they are, and that's good thing.

Believe me, I can understand that.

[ChuckD]

Originally Posted by thePill

Oh god!!!!

GM does not see the profit from MSRP so why would they track 3500 dealerships, the profits are figured from invoice!!!

Yes GM just ships all of its dealerships the cars as they produce them without the dealer having any say in the matter and without ever recieving any money for those vehicles.. JUST SHIP, SHIP, SHIP!!!.... I didn't sell my stock!!! Oh too bad heres another 20 Camaro's!!!

Special orders fulfill over 90% of all orders done at the dealership...
I walk in and order the car, bank gives me the money.. money goes to the dealer then to Ford/GM. For those of us that buy from the lot, those orders were counted as deliveries the moment the dealer bought them, months ago... ENCS does not report any sales of any vehicle to Ford or Dodge, because the sales delivery takes place when Ford recieves payment... Why would Ford or GM just start shipping cars without receiving any money!!!

Once money is received, that is a sale because the invoice is what monthly profits are figured from, NOT MSRP.

I'm talking about sales reporting... not internal accounting. Monthly sales are reported as sales to the CUSTOMER... as reported by the dealer.

This is a fact.

[Revo1]

WOW, that's a helluva margin! ROKNROLL!

[thePill]

Invoice is a legal document that is issued from the manufacturer to the buyer (buyer is ALWAYS the dealer). What the dealer does for you is orders the car at INVOICE and turns around and sells it to you at MSRP (Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price). This is where they make the dealer profit, the price between the Invoice and MSRP... Dirty dealers will mark some vehicles over MSRP because most people don't know what invoice means..

So.. You have Actual cost to build (Known only by the manufacturer), Invoice (Figured above actual cost with profit) MSRP (what the manufacturer suggest the dealer sells it for).. GM/Ford never sees a penny between the Invoice and MSRP... Dealers gotta eat too. Monthly profit is taken from Invoice as well as Sales deliveries...