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siriusdish · 03-05-2011, 02:10 PM

Question on these parts? What will these parts do for the car? Will it make it faster off the line? 2ss L99, Has trailing arms, Toe rods and Lower control arms now. BMR and the Control arms are Spohn. My Dad is having me look in to this, coupon came the other day.

Also if he did get these parts what hole for the sway bar should he have the mechanic set the sway bar to? That car just has some bolt on's with a tune.

Apex Motorsports · 03-05-2011, 05:34 PM

Cradle bushings will help a lot with wheel hop and rear end step out. You will be able to launch more aggressively and with much greater control and feel. This will make you faster off the line.

Sway bars will reduce body roll and under steer. They are a great bang for your buck suspension mod (as are rear cradle bushings) but this will help more in the twisties than launching.

End links are a supporting mod. The stock links are flimsy and prone to failing, especially when mated with stiffer aftermarket sway bars. You will not see any real improvement in handling from the end links themselves.

Feel free to PM me if you need more info.

siriusdish · 03-05-2011, 06:02 PM

Ok, thanx. If I tell him that he does not need the sway bar then. Will the BMR end links work with his stock bar? I think it will but I better make sure b/c he will be mad,lol. He is looking to get the 60 ft down and I thought the sway bar would help but he will like not having to buy that as well,lol.

siriusdish · 03-05-2011, 06:45 PM

They will work, He wanted me to order them for him,lol.

Apex Motorsports · 03-05-2011, 08:01 PM

If you are not upgrading you sway bars then you don't really need end links.

siriusdish · 03-05-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

If you are not upgrading you sway bars then you don't really need end links.

Whoops,

Oh well, with all the launching he does with his car might be a good thing,lol.

axis · 03-05-2011, 09:51 PM

There's a "typical" upgrade path for suspension. LCA's and Toe rods are a little further down the list than Sways which should be numero uno.

siriusdish · 03-06-2011, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axis

There's a "typical" upgrade path for suspension. LCA's and Toe rods are a little further down the list than Sways which should be numero uno.

He has the Lower control arms, toe rods and trailing arms. We scratched the Sway bar and just went with the BMR End links and Cradle insert bushings. His 60' is way to high for a L99. runs around 2.25's, with the trailing arms and Drag radials. Not sure how it is with the toes and LCA's. Jannetty's SCT Tune made the rear give way.

JusticePete · 03-06-2011, 10:20 AM

The community must get tired of me repeating this. All 5th Gen suspension mods should start with sub-frame bushes. Sub-frame inserts or bushes keep the IRS properly positioned for the car does everything better including transfer of power on a hard launch. Sub-frame inserts are extra parts you have to buy and install. The most cost effective step in reducing wheel hop is to make certain the rear wheels are correctly aligned. While on the alignment machine have the technician set the rear camber to-.5 degrees or less if the adjustment allows. The more square the wheels are to the track surface or street the better the tires will bit, hook up. A better hook up will reduce wheel hop. Combine alignment with sub-frame inserts and you are well on your way to smooth and efficient launches.

axis · 03-06-2011, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siriusdish

He has the Lower control arms, toe rods and trailing arms. We scratched the Sway bar and just went with the BMR End links and Cradle insert bushings. His 60' is way to high for a L99. runs around 2.25's, with the trailing arms and Drag radials. Not sure how it is with the toes and LCA's. Jannetty's SCT Tune made the rear give way.

That was my point. Sways should have been the first thing done. $300 and 2hrs work will plant your Camaro considerably better than stock. As Pete always posts, bushings make a huge difference as well and should be considered long before the LCA's and toe rods. Just like it's almost pointless to get end links if you don't have aftermarket sways, it seems like yall are just throwing parts at it without finding out what is actually needed and works. It would make more sense to call/email one or all of the suspension shops on here to see what they recommend for your application.

JusticePete · 03-06-2011, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axis

... it seems like yall are just throwing parts at it without finding out what is actually needed and works. It would make more sense to call/email one or all of the suspension shops on here to see what they recommend for your application.

Well said. A lot of mod money is wasted for lack of an overall plan. My office phone is 248.522.8021 and our Dealer locator is here: http://www.peddersusa.com/dealer-finder

Bruce Raymond Raymond's Alignment Indiana, Rob Anderson Wretched Motorsports Massachusetts, Mike Haddad Haddad Motorsports California, Rich Johnson Back Street Performance Ohio and more are go to experts. They are all ready and willing to speak with you on the phone or in person.

nuptualnemesis · 03-11-2011, 01:20 PM

It really needs drag radials to hook. Nitto 555's last longer on the street and hook pretty good. I got about 50 passes and 8,000 miles out of my first set. I bet not many stock rear tires lasted as long. Run 30lb on street. Wore out centers at 35lb.

I ran a 1.60 60' with 305/35/20's on 10" wide rims. He needs to experiment with different rpms on the brake at launch and speed of roll in on the throttle. Pedal throttle with extensive tire spin.

caverman · 03-11-2011, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete

The community must get tired of me repeating this. All 5th Gen suspension mods should start with sub-frame bushes. Sub-frame inserts or bushes keep the IRS properly positioned for the car does everything better including transfer of power on a hard launch. Sub-frame inserts are extra parts you have to buy and install. The most cost effective step in reducing wheel hop is to make certain the rear wheels are correctly aligned. While on the alignment machine have the technician set the rear camber to-.5 degrees or less if the adjustment allows. The more square the wheels are to the track surface or street the better the tires will bit, hook up. A better hook up will reduce wheel hop. Combine alignment with sub-frame inserts and you are well on your way to smooth and efficient launches.

So with sub-frame bushings I'm assuming you are saying the same thing as craddle bushings?

Does Pedders make craddle bushing inserts like the BMR ones?

I'm also a little nervous to add ploy bushings for fear that it will make the car ride stiffer.

I think I'm going to add the craddle bushings next but I've got something on my '69 I'm having to spend money on first. It's always a hard call on which car to spend money on....but my '69 has been getting neglected for the past year.

New houndstooth covered Firebird seats!

After driving in the 2010 I can hardly take the non-reclining "L" shaped factory seats in my '69.

600hp-lpe · 03-11-2011, 02:43 PM

Caverman, are you going to the C5fest?

you would be more than welcome to come for a ride with me to see how smooth the ride is, even with my suspension setup in "race mode".

MWS444 is in El Paso, and has a full Pedders track setup as well. I'm sure he would be more than happy to let you experience the great feel of a well modified suspension..

I love the smoothness of the ride! Pedders bushings firmed it up so it's not sloppy like the factory, but no where like a old Harley on a bad stretch of road.

It's hard to explain - you need to feel the difference yourself!

03-05-2011, 02:10 PM	#1
siriusdish Drives: 2010 Camaro L99 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Erie PA Posts: 1,226	CRADLE BUSHING/ END LINKS SWAY BAR Question on these parts? What will these parts do for the car? Will it make it faster off the line? 2ss L99, Has trailing arms, Toe rods and Lower control arms now. BMR and the Control arms are Spohn. My Dad is having me look in to this, coupon came the other day. Also if he did get these parts what hole for the sway bar should he have the mechanic set the sway bar to? That car just has some bolt on's with a tune. Last edited by siriusdish; 03-05-2011 at 02:58 PM.

03-05-2011, 05:34 PM	#2
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,165	Cradle bushings will help a lot with wheel hop and rear end step out. You will be able to launch more aggressively and with much greater control and feel. This will make you faster off the line. Sway bars will reduce body roll and under steer. They are a great bang for your buck suspension mod (as are rear cradle bushings) but this will help more in the twisties than launching. End links are a supporting mod. The stock links are flimsy and prone to failing, especially when mated with stiffer aftermarket sway bars. You will not see any real improvement in handling from the end links themselves. Feel free to PM me if you need more info. Last edited by Apex Motorsports; 03-05-2011 at 06:09 PM.

03-05-2011, 06:02 PM	#3
siriusdish Drives: 2010 Camaro L99 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Erie PA Posts: 1,226	Ok, thanx. If I tell him that he does not need the sway bar then. Will the BMR end links work with his stock bar? I think it will but I better make sure b/c he will be mad,lol. He is looking to get the 60 ft down and I thought the sway bar would help but he will like not having to buy that as well,lol. Last edited by siriusdish; 03-05-2011 at 06:20 PM.

03-05-2011, 09:51 PM	#7
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	There's a "typical" upgrade path for suspension. LCA's and Toe rods are a little further down the list than Sways which should be numero uno. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

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03-05-2011, 06:45 PM	#4
siriusdish Drives: 2010 Camaro L99 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Erie PA Posts: 1,226	They will work, He wanted me to order them for him,lol.

03-05-2011, 08:01 PM	#5
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,165	If you are not upgrading you sway bars then you don't really need end links.

03-06-2011, 10:20 AM	#9
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,171	The community must get tired of me repeating this. All 5th Gen suspension mods should start with sub-frame bushes. Sub-frame inserts or bushes keep the IRS properly positioned for the car does everything better including transfer of power on a hard launch. Sub-frame inserts are extra parts you have to buy and install. The most cost effective step in reducing wheel hop is to make certain the rear wheels are correctly aligned. While on the alignment machine have the technician set the rear camber to-.5 degrees or less if the adjustment allows. The more square the wheels are to the track surface or street the better the tires will bit, hook up. A better hook up will reduce wheel hop. Combine alignment with sub-frame inserts and you are well on your way to smooth and efficient launches.

03-11-2011, 01:20 PM	#12
nuptualnemesis NuptualNemesis Drives: Silver 1SS M6 - 480hp 11.57/120.79 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Baton Rouge, LA www.Divorcefor399.com Posts: 310 View My Garage	It really needs drag radials to hook. Nitto 555's last longer on the street and hook pretty good. I got about 50 passes and 8,000 miles out of my first set. I bet not many stock rear tires lasted as long. Run 30lb on street. Wore out centers at 35lb. I ran a 1.60 60' with 305/35/20's on 10" wide rims. He needs to experiment with different rpms on the brake at launch and speed of roll in on the throttle. Pedal throttle with extensive tire spin.

03-11-2011, 02:43 PM	#14
600hp-lpe Drives: 2010 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NH Posts: 4,788	Caverman, are you going to the C5fest? you would be more than welcome to come for a ride with me to see how smooth the ride is, even with my suspension setup in "race mode". MWS444 is in El Paso, and has a full Pedders track setup as well. I'm sure he would be more than happy to let you experience the great feel of a well modified suspension.. I love the smoothness of the ride! Pedders bushings firmed it up so it's not sloppy like the factory, but no where like a old Harley on a bad stretch of road. It's hard to explain - you need to feel the difference yourself!