Shno's House of Z

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

ask number3 how much he'd take for his roadster

If you're not desperate for wheels, take your time and don't fall in love with a particular car (in case it don't work out) There are deals out there.

Patience, grasshopper. (anyone?)

Not desperate yet, but will need one soon. Parents killed the Bonneville in Cincinnati, may go to see the one in Pataskala on Thursday, also found an '01 Aurora in Cincinnati. Trying to figure out if that's the 3.5L Shortstar V6 or 4.0L Northstar.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

#3 has put some thought into your car. I saw hisdetailed post in another thread, but can't rember where.

Was it called, "Unicorn, Big Foot, Santa, or Chupacabra"?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

#3 has put some thought into your car. I saw his detailed post in another thread, but can't rember where.

Here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...54#post2909254

Master of the search, I am.....

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Patience, grasshopper. (anyone?)

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Not desperate yet, but will need one soon. Parents killed the Bonneville in Cincinnati, may go to see the one in Pataskala on Thursday, also found an '01 Aurora in Cincinnati. Trying to figure out if that's the 3.5L Shortstar V6 or 4.0L Northstar.

Drove an Aurora with the Northstar back in the day, great motor, EXCELLENT fuel mileage if you can keep your foot out of it. Didn't spend a lot of time with it, but seemed like a well built car. (poor Olds, and Pontiac)

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...54#post2909254

Master of the search, I am.....

Of the repost I am master.

Originally Posted by Number 3

Forged wheels may offer a reduction. But GM has some pretty severe wheel requirements. I know shopping for my Sky I can find some "race" wheels that save about 8 pounds per wheel. But race means no potholes.

Manual seats for sure, but only a few pounds. I know my Sky has power height on the driver side, but manual for all others. So that can work.

I will let Pedders or Pfadt comment on this. My first instinct is they actually weigh a bit more. But that is a factless observation. Pedders Note: Xa coilovers are about 16 pounds lighter and the Supercars are about the same as OE

I haven't seen the EPS mass. ZL1 has EPS, SS doesn't so if it weighs less it's good. Plus better FE.

LS7 is for sure more power and awesomeness. But just big bucks due to the manual build in Wixom. I'd hope for a nice LS3 bump. Problem there is you now make the LS7 obsolete. Why pay big bucks for 505 when you can get 450+ for much less.

Gearing something that I think could add an immediate benefit. Honestly not sure why we haven't tapped into this.

I like your numbers, which would require the LS7.

I think your cost is ok, but not with the LS7 which is the contradiction.

But for me, here is what I would do to drop the weight and still have a car pleasant to drive every day.

Start with a 1SS

Eliminate all engine covers and plastic in the engine compartment. If it isn't moving fuel or coolant..............gone.

Manual seats.

No fog lamps. No LS filler. Just a simple fascia.

No mail slot.

No floor mats. (optional on 1SS anyway??)

No trunk trim, no flat load floor, no spare, no inflator. Just a can of fix a flat.

No folding rear seat. Yes, I want a rear seat or I'd just buy a Corvette. But I don't need latches and pull strap to fold it down on very rare occasions.

I'd remove some but not all NVH treatments. Lighter dash matt, reduced mastic materials on the body.

Eliminate the push/push fuel door and add the finger cup back in. This eliminates the push pin mechanism.

Smaller bare bones console. Simple arm rest in between the seats.

No power passenger side rear view mirror.

Go to a 15 gallon fuel tank. Saves full tank of fuel mass and also just a smaller, lighter tank.

Thinner glass for windshield, doors, back light and quarter glass.

That might, and I'm guessing save 50 pounds, not counting the reduction of 3 gallons of gas (an extra 20 pounds)

Adds:

Carbon fiber hood

Titanium exhaust (C5 Z06)

Glass Matt battery (bad for performance, but good for mass)

Magnesium front cradle (C6 Z06)

Low mass race wheels (C5 had titanium but wouldn't go quite that far)

Again, guessing a bit, you might save another 100 pounds.

So total reduced weight 150 pounds over a 1SS.

If at all possible, get the Wixom LS3 (reported to make more power) and add tweak it where possible. Only asking for 450 at the crank.

Now add the suspension improvements from the ZL1 minus MR shocks.

Widen the front tires to help understeer.

Now you have a slightly lighter, slightly more powerful and slightly better handling car.

That will likely not get your 0 - 60 in 4.0 seconds or 12 second 1/4, but might make the rest of your numbers.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...54#post2909254

Master of the search, I am.....

WhoDaMan? YouDaMan!

Originally Posted by Number 3

Forged wheels may offer a reduction. But GM has some pretty severe wheel requirements. I know shopping for my Sky I can find some "race" wheels that save about 8 pounds per wheel. But race means no potholes.
How about a LS steel wheel option for price reduction, since they'll be replaced anyhow...
Manual seats for sure, but only a few pounds. I know my Sky has power height on the driver side, but manual for all others. So that can work.
Give that to Recaro, tell them to pull 30 pounds... They can do it.
I will let Pedders or Pfadt comment on this. My first instinct is they actually weigh a bit more. But that is a factless observation.
This was regarding CTS-V brakes, I think...Larger, thicker, same weight... correct, Pete?
I haven't seen the EPS mass. ZL1 has EPS, SS doesn't so if it weighs less it's good. Plus better FE.
Elect. steering comment? What is FE?
LS7 is for sure more power and awesomeness. But just big bucks due to the manual build in Wixom. I'd hope for a nice LS3 bump. Problem there is you now make the LS7 obsolete. Why pay big bucks for 505 when you can get 450+ for much less.
Agreed
Gearing something that I think could add an immediate benefit. Honestly not sure why we haven't tapped into this.
STRONGLY agreed
I like your numbers, which would require the LS7.

I think your cost is ok, but not with the LS7 which is the contradiction.

But for me, here is what I would do to drop the weight and still have a car pleasant to drive every day.

Start with a 1SS

Eliminate all engine covers and plastic in the engine compartment. If it isn't moving fuel or coolant..............gone.

Manual seats.

No fog lamps. No LS filler. Just a simple fascia.

No mail slot.

No floor mats. (optional on 1SS anyway??)

No trunk trim, no flat load floor, no spare, no inflator. Just a can of fix a flat.

No folding rear seat. Yes, I want a rear seat or I'd just buy a Corvette. But I don't need latches and pull strap to fold it down on very rare occasions.
Or EZ remove, for track days
I'd remove some but not all NVH treatments. Lighter dash matt, reduced mastic materials on the body.
Higher Durometer bushings.... Screw NVH LOL
Eliminate the push/push fuel door and add the finger cup back in. This eliminates the push pin mechanism.

Smaller bare bones console. Simple arm rest in between the seats.
Yup, old skool shifter thru the floor and rubber booted
No power passenger side rear view mirror.

Go to a 15 gallon fuel tank. Saves full tank of fuel mass and also just a smaller, lighter tank.

Thinner glass for windshield, doors, back light and quarter glass.
Great idea!
That might, and I'm guessing save 50 pounds, not counting the reduction of 3 gallons of gas (an extra 20 pounds)

Adds:

Carbon fiber hood

Titanium exhaust (C5 Z06)

Glass Matt battery (bad for performance, but good for mass)

Magnesium front cradle (C6 Z06)

Low mass race wheels (C5 had titanium but wouldn't go quite that far)

Again, guessing a bit, you might save another 100 pounds.

So total reduced weight 150 pounds over a 1SS.

If at all possible, get the Wixom LS3 (reported to make more power) and add tweak it where possible. Only asking for 450 at the crank.

Now add the suspension improvements from the ZL1 minus MR shocks.

Widen the front tires to help understeer.

Now you have a slightly lighter, slightly more powerful and slightly better handling car.

That will likely not get your 0 - 60 in 4.0 seconds or 12 second 1/4, but might make the rest of your numbers.

Tell GM I said you need to be in charge of this car!

[JusticePete]

OE struts and coils vs Xa coilovers and Supercars.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

OE struts and coils vs Xa coilovers and Supercars.

There's a HUGE weight reduction right there... I think number3 built a 3700 lb Camaro

[Mark H]

Anyone notice were at over 100,320 views?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Mark H

Anyone notice were at over 100,320 views?

98,000 are Fen and #3

#3 and Fen are the guys that keep posting great information and keep the thread going

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Personal opinions only!

With the Mustang Boss's available, should a SSX (Z28) be built?

Remember personal opinions only!

They had both the SSX Camaro and the matching Corvette in the lobby a few months ago. I'd love it. Not a dailey driver...............unless you work at the track

Loved that flat white paint with carbon fiber. Mmmmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

ask number3 how much he'd take for his roadster

If you're not desperate for wheels, take your time and don't fall in love with a particular car (in case it don't work out) There are deals out there.

Patience, grasshopper. (anyone?)

Everything I hear and read is that the used car market is hot right now. but I do agree, there are plenty to choose from. Good advice to not fall in love. Now about that Sky..................

Originally Posted by JusticePete

#3 has put some thought into your car. I saw hisdetailed post in another thread, but can't rember where.

Put this in the giant multi-post, but linked later on

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Not desperate yet, but will need one soon. Parents killed the Bonneville in Cincinnati, may go to see the one in Pataskala on Thursday, also found an '01 Aurora in Cincinnati. Trying to figure out if that's the 3.5L Shortstar V6 or 4.0L Northstar.

Honestly, the EPA numbers might be different, but not sure you'd suffer that much with a V8. On the other hand if gas hits, gulp, $4 again every bit helps.

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Was it called, "Unicorn, Big Foot, Santa, or Chupacabra"?

Chupacabra makes me ascared

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

WhoDaMan? YouDaMan!



Tell GM I said you need to be in charge of this car!

They have a pretty good guy doing that right now. Point of trivia...........I went to High School with Al Oppenheiser.

Great comments from you and JusticePete. I bet if we keep picking at this we could get a decent bit of weight reduction and still have a pretty pleasant car..................with a radio and A/C no less.

I especially like the easily removeable rear seat idea. Not that some foam and cloth are that much, but it adds up.

BTW, FE is Fuel Economy.

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

There's a HUGE weight reduction right there... I think number3 built a 3700 lb Camaro

I think it would be pretty close to that. But just a guess

Originally Posted by Mark H

Anyone notice were at over 100,320 views?

Wow!!!!! Pretty impressive. Still waiting for Tran to kick down some of those ad $$ to Shnomac.

Originally Posted by JusticePete

98,000 are Fen and #3

#3 and Fen are the guys that keep posting great information and keep the thread going

It's a comfy place to hang out. Gets slow now and again, but I think everybody takes a peak now and again.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, maybe we should run a Mod test. LOL See if they notice.

[Number 3]

Oh and for the record:

Number 3 - 1024, including this one
Shnomac - 764, it's named after him so.............
Fenwick - 466, 294 of which include the word BUICK
Boxmonkeyracing - 414, where has he been lately?
Dragoneye - 298, Either a really good question or a really good answer
GTA - 258, Frequent visitor, good mod, good guy
MisterCamaro69 - 212, Always Solid!!!
JusticePete - 160, Technically superior content right there, just sayin'
CamaroSpike23 - 149. Gifted moderator.......at least I read that somewhere
radz28 - 110, welcome every time in "the House"

But still impressed with over 100,000 views. We should at least get a plaque or something for the virtual wall.

So is it a bad thing that 20% of my posts are here? or that 80% of my posts aren't?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Oh and for the record:

Number 3 - 1024, including this one
Shnomac - 764, it's named after him so.............
Fenwick - 466, 294 of which include the word BUICK
Boxmonkeyracing - 414, where has he been lately?
Dragoneye - 298, Either a really good question or a really good answer
GTA - 258, Frequent visitor, good mod, good guy
MisterCamaro69 - 212, Always Solid!!!
JusticePete - 160, Technically superior content right there, just sayin'
CamaroSpike23 - 149. Gifted moderator.......at least I read that somewhere
radz28 - 110, welcome every time in "the House"

So is it a bad thing that 20% of my posts are here? or that 80% of my posts aren't?

I would prefer all your posts in one place and indexed by key word too.

[Mr Twisty]

This is where the cool people hang out