Hyper Tech Tuner

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by scrming

There were a couple of Diablo thread... here is one:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...91#post1770391

#2 post in the thread:

There are really no meaningful gains to be had from tuning on a stock car.....

I think your missing the entire thread here... no one here is tuning a stock vehicle. I'm glad you did all kind of work... but really ,dude! We are talking mods here. Not just axle backs, CAIs , and some stickers. The demand is there, so what is the point of telling everyone how much you know?

[Blade]

In fact for you guys, I just submitted a request

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by scrming

There were a couple of Diablo thread... here is one:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...91#post1770391

#2 post in the thread:

There are really no meaningful gains to be had from tuning on a stock car.....

That's something i already knew. Tuning a stock car, more than likely wont gain you anything. It's tuning a modified car that matters. that's the whole point in getting a tune. To adjust your car to the new modifications on your car.

I've said this in another thread, i don't care if there are zero gains on this stock motor. I want to know if there are any gains on a modified motor. And even if there isn't much, i want a tune that will make my car run at it's highest and safest potential with my mods. Also, to have a handheld to switch between tunes would be great.

From that statement that's bolded, it sounds to me like he said that as a general statement. So why would they just stop trying with the v6 camaro and not all other cars? I'm assuming it's because of the demand at the time.

If everyone just gave up after one company said there are no gains, then we really wouldn't get anywhere. Did they test anything with a modified car?

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by scrming

Not a Debbie Downer... I'm a realist... I worked a lot with Vince trying number of things, we explored a lot of things.. a lot behind the scenes that know one knows about... I've seen the raw data... I've talked a quite a few insiders... There is no magic spell holding a bunch of horse power captive, just waiting to be released... There is not going to be any pixie dust to cause a big boots in torque...

Sorry if I burst your bubble... but we've been through this a thousand times ad nauseam... but hey... if you want to keep hoping for a miracle, be my guest..

Not sure if realist is really the right word here either. You seem to believe that because there is no more power from a stock motor, that no one should come out with a tune to help the folks with a modified v6.

Also, would it hurt to have multiple companies try their hand in the camaro v6?

I don't think anyone is expecting miracles, but what does it hurt to try and get a handheld? Even if it's the same thing trifecta is doing, but in a more portable fashion?

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Blade

So everyone is looking to get a cheaper option in this thread right? I wanted to point out the fact that there will be no gains in the ECM. Which we all know about.

So if you are trying to create competitive pricing.......go for it. I won't critique that, but I really hope that you guys aren't expecting a breakthrough on the 3.6l engine thats all.

And the reason I hope that is because I respect almost everyone who has posted in this thread, and their efforts in modifying their cars.

BTW.....Diablo, SLP, HP Tuners etc never claimed before that there wasn't enough demand. Their claim was that they DIDN'T THINK v6 owners cared to mod when the Camaro was released, so they geared all their mods to the SS model. Then they also claimed that they didn't bother creating a tune for the v6, because they didn't see the point of advertising 0HP gain tune.

All I am saying is buyer beware if you are expecting something more in return. If you are expecting a cheaper solution than go for it, they are most likely going to hook you up with a TCM & A/F ratio tune for maybe $100 - $200 difference. Which I agree is a big deal in value and performance.

Again I am just posting in this thread out of respect and just looking out for you guys & girls. Not trying to be a debbie downer and look I didn't even use the T-word in this post

hopefully with the way sales are going now, with the v6's beating out v8's, companies will start to notice.

and thanks for the help!

[scrming]

Originally Posted by jeff4946

I think your missing the entire thread here... no one here is tuning a stock vehicle. I'm glad you did all kind of work... but really ,dude! We are talking mods here. Not just axle backs, CAIs , and some stickers. The demand is there, so what is the point of telling everyone how much you know?

In the grand scheme of things the percentage of V6 Camaros that get modified at all is small... and a VERY SMALL fraction of that will modify their cars to the point of needing a custom tune... Bigger companies like Diablo, SCT, etc. are not going to put the effort into developing a product that has such a very small customer base to support it... Vince's doesn't have the huge overhead these other companies have! If he had to pay a staff to do the coding, handling the shipping, pay some customer support people, etc., I'm sure that financially doing a V6 tune for the Camaro would not have made since and then nobody would have a tune...

There simply is not going to be a huge number of heavily modded V6 Camaro... The only way you would see enough demand is if you could offer some nice gains to the people that are stock or very lightly modded... and that isn't going to happen..

[scrming]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

Not sure if realist is really the right word here either. You seem to believe that because there is no more power from a stock motor, that no one should come out with a tune to help the folks with a modified v6.

Also, would it hurt to have multiple companies try their hand in the camaro v6?

I don't think anyone is expecting miracles, but what does it hurt to try and get a handheld? Even if it's the same thing trifecta is doing, but in a more portable fashion?

While I'm not a business major, i do understand some basic business principals and economics..... Like Return On Investment... And that the business of business is to make money... Investing a large some of money to develop, market and sell a product to a very small potential customer base makes no financial sense at all... especially if there are other vehicles that are going to show a much better ROI... it's simple economics...

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by scrming

While I'm not a business major, i do understand some basic business principals and economics..... Like Return On Investment... And that the business of business is to make money... Investing a large some of money to develop, market and sell a product to a very small potential customer base makes no financial sense at all... especially if there are other vehicles that are going to show a much better ROI... it's simple economics...

last i checked, camaro is out selling mustangs, and the mustang guys have tunes

just because there's only a handful on this forum, doesn't mean that all that's interested.

[jeff4946]

All right..... you win. I'm just going to hide my head in shame. I'M HIDEOUS! LOOK AWAY!

[PoorMansCamaro]

and scrming, don't get me wrong. i respect you a lot. you've done more than anyone else has for the v6 camaro. from probably the most bought axleback, to louvers, to testing the trifecta tune.

I just don't see the point in arguing with people that want more options. Whether it's something that we've been through time and time again or not.

perseverance is key.

"defeat never comes to a man, until he admits it." - Josephus Daniels

[bossbunny]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

last i checked, camaro is out selling mustangs, and the mustang guys have tunes

just because there's only a handful on this forum, doesn't mean that all that's interested.

And I believe their were more V6 camaros sold last year than V8s.

[PoorMansCamaro]

i remember going to cars and coffe here in vegas for the first time when i bought my car back last april. i was literally the only v6 there, and about 8 SS's. Now we are at about 50/50.

[Blade]

Originally Posted by badgebunny

And I believe their were more V6 camaros sold last year than V8s.

Yep and the funny thing is I pointed out the trend early last year. Because I saw collectively the 1LT, 2LT & LS models were right there with the 2ss and said "Why even make the 1ss?"

But all the 1ss people jumped all over me.......LOL.

[KMPrenger]

I'm all for more tuning options. Heck I too have contacted various companies about various stuff trying to get more aftermarket support for our beloved V6ers.

But on this topic I'm on both sides of the Fence. I see both sides.

Part of you simply want one or more tuning options to provide you with a few things...namely: better price, handheld, and (keeping your fingers and toes crossed) better power gains. Who wants to pay so much just to have their speedo recalibrated for gears, or have a CEL light turned off?....I know I don't

I don't think the otherside disagrees with that at all. We'd all love to have a zillion different tuning options even if none of them could provide better gains than Trifecta. But unless your running intake, long tube headers, and exhaust at a minimum there is no need for a tune. Of course there are people who are going to want a tune no matter what, but I don't see any real performance potential of it.

The mustangs (V6 and V8) and the SS are seeing real performance benefits out of a tune....but unfortunently we are not. I know I can't hardly blame the larger companies for realizing this and figuring there just wouldn't be much profit to be made.

Now if someone were to offer something at an attractive price that can eliminate the rear 02 CEL, and provide more aggressive torque management while in sport mode (and also hold a copy of my stock tune!) I'd be all on board with that. Maybe that could be a cheaper alternative for companies to offer us? Anything that would include the above as well as A/F tuning would be more or less a full tune and would beg a higher price I'm sure.

In addition to what I've said above, Vince is also changing other factors (thinking along the lines of fuel injection pressures/amounts?) that are vital to getting over the 5 - 6 lb boost for FI V6 Camaros. Is this something we would be able to ask from these larger companies?

Anyways, I'm just rambling at this point, but I guess what I'm saying is the more options the better for sure. Just not getting my hopes up either.