Shno's House of Z

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Yes 67-69. That's what the 5Gen is based on correct? And yes I do like the SSX concept, however it is not a street car from what I hear.
Number 3 would you personally like to see a Boss competitor made by GM?

Yes, I really would. I think the Boss is a really great package and offers a lot to the customer.

Arguably some inside might say this gets too close to the Corvette, but I'd still like to see a supremely focussed car like the Boss.

Now what you haven't seen are the numbers for the ZL1.............I think they may change a few minds on this topic. Everyone is really hung up on the weight and I hate to say it, I think there is a as much Mustang envy as there is historical reference to the 67 to 69 Z28. That car was not "light weighted". It was a specific engine with a few RPOs for brakes and some axle choices.

So would I like to see a better handling Camaro? Yes.

Does it need to be lighter? No, not in my opinion. Too much cost and effort.

Would I like the SSX? Yes, please. But track focussed more than simply light weighted.

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Hmmmm http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...merica-101692/

Rumors from down under say the VE chassis will be almost unchanged for the next generation Holden Commodore with all new sheet metal on top. The changes in the chassis would be focused on weight reduction in the sub-frames and arms.

I was day dreaming and joking with Centaur. Do dreams come true?

2014 Caprice SS
2013 ZL1
Denali (in service as my daughters first car by the release date)

Yes, yes they do. Just might not be this one. But if you don't dream, they can't come true.

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Chevrolet does make the a 5th Gen club racer available as a body in white with a great selection of crate motors. Having a car built at Pratt and resold through Chevrolet doesn't make business sense. The more profitable avenue for Chevrolet and GM is to sell the SS and let the customer build what they want from a production car.

What's under that hood? Nice!!

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

You say tomato I say...

poh tayyyyy tohhhhhhhh

[FenwickHockey65]

Do the letters/numbers "Z2SC" mean anything to you, Number 3?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Number 3

What's under that hood? Nice!!

650 LPE, LPE Dif, LPE shafts.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I'm assuming you are talking about 67 through 69. I sure don't look back at any Z28 I could get in high school or later as being anything close to a track car. I'm now talking 77 through 2002 and I don't recall anything much more than an appearance package or maybe a bit of better handling chassis tuning.

Someone correct me if there was more hardware to back up the badge in those years, but I never looked at any of the Z28s in those years as track cars.

But I don't disagree with the wish list. I'd frankly love to see a Camaro SSX available. I like that a LOT. Saw it in person and the flat white paint job with the black wheels and Carbon Fiber was quite nice. It was all business and looked the part.

The 3rd gen 1LE was a 'back door' track car direct from GM, A/C and radio delete, manual glass, big brakes, light weight driveshaft, etc.

[Mr Twisty]

That Lingenfelter car is shweet!

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

That Lingenfelter car is shweet!

What day do you arrive at the Fest?

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

What day do you arrive at the Fest?

Probably be there thursday noon-ish, need some help setting up?

Ok, you twisted my arm, I'll help

[2cnd chance]

How much would a ZL1 with a 475HP LS3 instead of the LSA save me $8,000.00?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

How much would a ZL1 with a 475HP LS3 instead of the LSA save me $8,000.00?

~4-5k

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

How much would a ZL1 with a 475HP LS3 instead of the LSA save me $8,000.00?

Where would the 475 HP LS3 come from? Aftermarket? Or are you thinking of a lower cost ZL1 from GM?

GM would have to do a lot to get the LS3 to 475. Think of it this way, the LS7 is at 505 HP and that took displcement and a lot of wonderfully expensive hardware like titanium rods etc.

A 40 HP bump is easy in the aftermarket, not so much from the OEM. It has to be durable, pass emissions, provide great fuel economy, meet noise pass by etc. Verrrry hard to do. Let's put it this way, if it were that easy, GM would have already done it for the Corvette.

Now I would be interested in what an LS7 would be like without all those high cost extras. How much HP would a 7.0L with more conventional materials similar to an LS3 make? And how much less would it cost? Hmmmmmmm just thought of that on my own. It would still by hard though as it would be verrrrry low volume. Ok, just talked myself out of it.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

How much would a ZL1 with a 475HP LS3 instead of the LSA save me $8,000.00?

Where would the 475 HP LS3 come from? Aftermarket? Or are you thinking of a lower cost ZL1 from GM?

GM would have to do a lot to get the LS3 to 475. Think of it this way, the LS7 is at 505 HP and that took displcement and a lot of wonderfully expensive hardware like titanium rods etc.

A 40 HP bump is easy in the aftermarket, not so much from the OEM. It has to be durable, pass emissions, provide great fuel economy, meet noise pass by etc. Verrrry hard to do. Let's put it this way, if it were that easy, GM would have already done it for the Corvette.

Now I would be interested in what an LS7 would be like without all those high cost extras. How much HP would a 7.0L with more conventional materials similar to an LS3 make? And how much less would it cost? Hmmmmmmm just thought of that on my own. It would still by hard though as it would be verrrrry low volume. Ok, just talked myself out of it.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Now I would be interested in what an LS7 would be like without all those high cost extras. How much HP would a 7.0L with more conventional materials similar to an LS3 make? And how much less would it cost? Hmmmmmmm just thought of that on my own. It would still by hard though as it would be verrrrry low volume. Ok, just talked myself out of it.

Good idea, bad timing LOL

The LS3 is a great motor, if guys want more juice, add cam&head work... done.

Just give us dry sump and SS headers.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Where would the 475 HP LS3 come from? Aftermarket? Or are you thinking of a lower cost ZL1 from GM?

GM would have to do a lot to get the LS3 to 475. Think of it this way, the LS7 is at 505 HP and that took displcement and a lot of wonderfully expensive hardware like titanium rods etc.

A 40 HP bump is easy in the aftermarket, not so much from the OEM. It has to be durable, pass emissions, provide great fuel economy, meet noise pass by etc. Verrrry hard to do. Let's put it this way, if it were that easy, GM would have already done it for the Corvette.

Now I would be interested in what an LS7 would be like without all those high cost extras. How much HP would a 7.0L with more conventional materials similar to an LS3 make? And how much less would it cost? Hmmmmmmm just thought of that on my own. It would still by hard though as it would be verrrrry low volume. Ok, just talked myself out of it.

Yes a lower cost ZL1 (Z28) from GM.

[FenwickHockey65]

Hmmm...I'll just leave this here...