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GQ4Life · 05-04-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

I wouldnt count on FI 5.5's for a while, at least not for public consumption.

Well eventually the ZR1 with get a new engine.. if they hopefully dont get rid of it.. or the ZL1 or Z28 (if there is one that might ever come out)

ViperTomcat · 05-04-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ4Life

Well eventually the ZR1 with get a new engine.. if they hopefully dont get rid of it.. or the ZL1 or Z28 (if there is one that might ever come out)

See thats just it, I fully expect the 6.2L to soldier on, just not in "average" cars. Honestly I suspect the LS9 to continue on in the ZR1 because its a very low volume car and wont really effect GM's average fuel economy. However, I fully expect the LS7 and LSA to fade away in the next few years.

IF, and thats a fairly significant IF, the 5.5L makes its debut next year, I would expect a FI 5.5 to eventually replace the LSA/LS7 in around 2015-16.

But the LS3? Thats what I expect the 5.5 to replace wholesale.

blizzpat · 05-04-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the LS7 doesnt take boost very well.

Tell that to this guy!

ViperTomcat · 05-04-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by blizzpat

Tell that to this guy!

Performing well under boost and having durability and longevity under boost are two very different realities.

blizzpat · 05-04-2011, 04:27 PM

Don't ruin my damn dreams!

lol i'm sure GM could produce a tt ls7 that would last..... "could" but never would :(

n2oSS · 05-04-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

Performing well under boost and having durability and longevity under boost are two very different realities.

that can be said of every engine

FirstCamaro19 · 05-04-2011, 07:51 PM

Picture pretty much says it all.

GQ4Life · 05-04-2011, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstCamaro19

Picture pretty much says it all.

Haha thats funny.. I had pic like that with Porsche GT2 in mirror LoL

thePill · 05-05-2011, 07:41 AM

GM's Gen V engine, or what people refer to as the 5.5, should be the standard V8 in the future. I can't say that the displacement will be 5.5 liters or not because there are many possibilities. For nostalgia, a 5.4 (327ci) or a 5.7 (350ci) is easily doable, a new 5.3 has been talked about around the internet (Ford has a 5.3 too). Currently, the LS5.5R that the Corvette's use in ALMS is based on the LS7's block. Here is a thread I started on the new Gen V engine and the possibility of it being in the new Z28 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140036

Right now, Ford has the upper hand in engine technology. The DOHC designs are highly efficient and over time will become even more so. The "Road Runner" Twin Turbo 5.0 was said to be capable of a 600hp/600tq spread and still be emissions friendly. The peak torque made from the turbo's come at a higher rpm which is truly one of the turbo's qualities over a standard supercharger. Tire spin would be minimal while the turbo's spool at low RPM, making a thicker tire not as necessary as it is now. Like I said before, the turbo's will straddle the transmission (There are two distinct notches beside the transmission) and feed the intake through the rear (instead of the front). This setup would be a little more feasible because it will not interfere with the factory shorty header design and use minimal plumbing (see below and link here) http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea...ang/index.html

The Fangs of the Cobra...

As long as Ford lets multiple third parties conduct the research and development it will continue to decrease the cost to produce these types of experiments. Just simply having a handful of drivetrain possibilities is enough to keep GM in the dark but either one of these possibilities can produce large amounts of horsepower and torque on a broad RPM curve with a high RPM limit. I expect the valvetrain to be very lightweight as the Boss uses sodium valves, small finger followers are standard and the Coyote comes equipped with hollow camshafts. There is always the LS9 option for the ZL1 but GM would have to be careful releasing an LS9 ZL1 alongside the LSA. If GM spent the time and money for the R&D of the LSA and the LS9 together and having a majority of consumers opt for the LS9 would be a huge waste in resources. If I remember correctly, the LSA can be purchased for $14,000. The cost difference between the LSA and the LS9 is only $8,000 dollars and in my opinion, that is very reasonable for the amount of performance you get over the LSA. The LS9 is also a lighter engine too by about 30lbs but I'm not sure what the transmission weighs because the TR6060 MH3's specs are very hard to come by... I am only aware of the 1st gear ratio but the weight should almost mirror the MG9/M10. GM will not stretch the LSA out much more than it is currently rated now. Don't get me wrong though, the LSA is capable of numbers far greater than what its labeled with... it's just that GM won't push the LSA beyond the Tremec and that leaves the ZL1 in a vulnerable position. A 6L90 offering with the LSA, even rated at 550hp, would be a very fast option. The ZL1 would have traction and consistent, lightning fast shifts that when given to an auto magazine, would win in over half the runs. I would very much like to see an LSA and LS9 option but the clock is ticking on the GM side... I'm not sure they have enough time...

thePill · 05-06-2011, 07:14 AM

This seems like the direction that Ford will likely be heading come 2014. The track width should be almost identical maybe a hair wider. The wheelbase and total length should decrease slightly, I can see about 4-5 inches off the car overall but the wheelbase should remain pretty close to the 107 inches it uses now. Maybe 106 inch wheelbase but it won't be any lower than that and maybe a 183-184 inch total length and the width and track should remain pretty close to 73.9" and 62-63 inch track. Most of the weight will be lost in the safety cage using boron and ultra high strength steel, the engine cradle and some suspension components will use these types of steel as well. Aluminum will be used in select places but will not be used overwhelmingly, I can see webbed aluminum in some places such as the roof, exterior body panels, truck area and inner doors. I've heard that Ford is looking for a 3300-3600lb spread throughout the lineup so the SVT Mustang coupe will lose about 150lbs but expect the convertibles to still be heavier than the coupe. The base 5.0 should come in around 3450lbs and the 3300lb base model will be the 275hp+ 2.0 Ecoboost Inline 4 cylinder which should be a HUGE seller. A 3450lb, 430hp/405tq Mustang GT will put my 2011 GT to shame... A 12.5 at 115 quarter mile will be a fairly easy task.

I am anxious to see the next gen Control Blade IRS and I hope it makes all those who wanted it very happy. I will miss the live axle but Ford Australia assured that the trailing arms in the CBIRS makes weight transfer while drag racing very nice. Ford engineered the Control Blade to be just as light as the live rear axle, the last generation CBIRS only weighed 22lbs more than the LRA and the cost to manufacturer was extremely low because all the suspension components are made at Dana which reduces the cost of production significantly.

Anyway, this is a rendition of the 2014 Mustang by an enthusiast... the styling looks really good... and I just may be in the market for another Mustang...

newmoon · 05-06-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by thePill

This seems like the direction that Ford will likely be heading come 2014. The track width should be almost identical maybe a hair wider. The wheelbase and total length should decrease slightly, I can see about 4-5 inches off the car overall but the wheelbase should remain pretty close to the 107 inches it uses now. Maybe 106 inch wheelbase but it won't be any lower than that and maybe a 183-184 inch total length and the width and track should remain pretty close to 73.9" and 62-63 inch track. Most of the weight will be lost in the safety cage using boron and ultra high strength steel, the engine cradle and some suspension components will use these types of steel as well. Aluminum will be used in select places but will not be used overwhelmingly, I can see webbed aluminum in some places such as the roof, exterior body panels, truck area and inner doors. I've heard that Ford is looking for a 3300-3600lb spread throughout the lineup so the SVT Mustang coupe will lose about 150lbs but expect the convertibles to still be heavier than the coupe. The base 5.0 should come in around 3450lbs and the 3300lb base model will be the 275hp+ 2.0 Ecoboost Inline 4 cylinder which should be a HUGE seller. A 3450lb, 430hp/405tq Mustang GT will put my 2011 GT to shame... A 12.5 at 115 quarter mile will be a fairly easy task.

I am anxious to see the next gen Control Blade IRS and I hope it makes all those who wanted it very happy. I will miss the live axle but Ford Australia assured that the trailing arms in the CBIRS makes weight transfer while drag racing very nice. Ford engineered the Control Blade to be just as light as the live rear axle, the last generation CBIRS only weighed 22lbs more than the LRA and the cost to manufacturer was extremely low because all the suspension components are made at Dana which reduces the cost of production significantly.

Anyway, this is a rendition of the 2014 Mustang by an enthusiast... the styling looks really good... and I just may be in the market for another Mustang...

If this is what the 2014 SVT Cobra is going to look like they can keep it, looks like a 11 that has been lowered. They need a complete redesign to win me back. Go back to the 03/04 look just make the car bigger.

thePill · 05-06-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

If this is what the 2014 SVT Cobra is going to look like they can keep it, looks like a 11 that has been lowered. They need a complete redesign to win me back. Go back to the 03/04 look just make the car bigger.

Ford is bringing back the modern look.. Here is some of the other art that is being thumbed through...

I could easily live with either of these concepts... I have heard that the GR-1's chassis could find its way to the Mustang in 2014. It would be the first global sports car chassis being shared with the Ford GT, Ford Cobra, GR-1 and the Mustang III.

GQ4Life · 05-06-2011, 03:24 PM

Simular body lines to the GR-1.. I like it..

snakekiller · 05-06-2011, 10:01 PM

sound good and definitely GM is going to answer with the Alpha platform.
i never imagine seeing stock 400hp 3400lbs beast on the streets.

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thePill Account Suspended Drives: '11 Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kaiserslauthern, Germany Posts: 1,268	GM's Gen V engine, or what people refer to as the 5.5, should be the standard V8 in the future. I can't say that the displacement will be 5.5 liters or not because there are many possibilities. For nostalgia, a 5.4 (327ci) or a 5.7 (350ci) is easily doable, a new 5.3 has been talked about around the internet (Ford has a 5.3 too). Currently, the LS5.5R that the Corvette's use in ALMS is based on the LS7's block. Here is a thread I started on the new Gen V engine and the possibility of it being in the new Z28 http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140036 Right now, Ford has the upper hand in engine technology. The DOHC designs are highly efficient and over time will become even more so. The "Road Runner" Twin Turbo 5.0 was said to be capable of a 600hp/600tq spread and still be emissions friendly. The peak torque made from the turbo's come at a higher rpm which is truly one of the turbo's qualities over a standard supercharger. Tire spin would be minimal while the turbo's spool at low RPM, making a thicker tire not as necessary as it is now. Like I said before, the turbo's will straddle the transmission (There are two distinct notches beside the transmission) and feed the intake through the rear (instead of the front). This setup would be a little more feasible because it will not interfere with the factory shorty header design and use minimal plumbing (see below and link here) http://www.mustang50magazine.com/fea...ang/index.html The Fangs of the Cobra... As long as Ford lets multiple third parties conduct the research and development it will continue to decrease the cost to produce these types of experiments. Just simply having a handful of drivetrain possibilities is enough to keep GM in the dark but either one of these possibilities can produce large amounts of horsepower and torque on a broad RPM curve with a high RPM limit. I expect the valvetrain to be very lightweight as the Boss uses sodium valves, small finger followers are standard and the Coyote comes equipped with hollow camshafts. There is always the LS9 option for the ZL1 but GM would have to be careful releasing an LS9 ZL1 alongside the LSA. If GM spent the time and money for the R&D of the LSA and the LS9 together and having a majority of consumers opt for the LS9 would be a huge waste in resources. If I remember correctly, the LSA can be purchased for $14,000. The cost difference between the LSA and the LS9 is only $8,000 dollars and in my opinion, that is very reasonable for the amount of performance you get over the LSA. The LS9 is also a lighter engine too by about 30lbs but I'm not sure what the transmission weighs because the TR6060 MH3's specs are very hard to come by... I am only aware of the 1st gear ratio but the weight should almost mirror the MG9/M10. GM will not stretch the LSA out much more than it is currently rated now. Don't get me wrong though, the LSA is capable of numbers far greater than what its labeled with... it's just that GM won't push the LSA beyond the Tremec and that leaves the ZL1 in a vulnerable position. A 6L90 offering with the LSA, even rated at 550hp, would be a very fast option. The ZL1 would have traction and consistent, lightning fast shifts that when given to an auto magazine, would win in over half the runs. I would very much like to see an LSA and LS9 option but the clock is ticking on the GM side... I'm not sure they have enough time... Last edited by thePill; 05-05-2011 at 07:59 AM.

05-06-2011, 07:14 AM	#3370
thePill Account Suspended Drives: '11 Mustang GT Premium Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kaiserslauthern, Germany Posts: 1,268	This seems like the direction that Ford will likely be heading come 2014. The track width should be almost identical maybe a hair wider. The wheelbase and total length should decrease slightly, I can see about 4-5 inches off the car overall but the wheelbase should remain pretty close to the 107 inches it uses now. Maybe 106 inch wheelbase but it won't be any lower than that and maybe a 183-184 inch total length and the width and track should remain pretty close to 73.9" and 62-63 inch track. Most of the weight will be lost in the safety cage using boron and ultra high strength steel, the engine cradle and some suspension components will use these types of steel as well. Aluminum will be used in select places but will not be used overwhelmingly, I can see webbed aluminum in some places such as the roof, exterior body panels, truck area and inner doors. I've heard that Ford is looking for a 3300-3600lb spread throughout the lineup so the SVT Mustang coupe will lose about 150lbs but expect the convertibles to still be heavier than the coupe. The base 5.0 should come in around 3450lbs and the 3300lb base model will be the 275hp+ 2.0 Ecoboost Inline 4 cylinder which should be a HUGE seller. A 3450lb, 430hp/405tq Mustang GT will put my 2011 GT to shame... A 12.5 at 115 quarter mile will be a fairly easy task. I am anxious to see the next gen Control Blade IRS and I hope it makes all those who wanted it very happy. I will miss the live axle but Ford Australia assured that the trailing arms in the CBIRS makes weight transfer while drag racing very nice. Ford engineered the Control Blade to be just as light as the live rear axle, the last generation CBIRS only weighed 22lbs more than the LRA and the cost to manufacturer was extremely low because all the suspension components are made at Dana which reduces the cost of production significantly. Anyway, this is a rendition of the 2014 Mustang by an enthusiast... the styling looks really good... and I just may be in the market for another Mustang... Attached Images Last edited by thePill; 05-06-2011 at 09:04 AM.

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