CAMARO ZL1 FAQ and INFORMATION

[SS35th]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Microsuede inserts are an option...and a small price to pay (if you don't like it) for the rest of this beast, imo....

And yes, tentatively there is no convertible ZL1...

But do you want one? Post here, they're listening!
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128472

Glad to know its an option and that they are looking for input on the vert! I voted!

[LOCKENESS-MONSTA]

I never thought id say this but danm that ZL1 gets sexier & sexier. Radz nice videos too man

[radz28]

Originally Posted by LOCKENESS-MONSTA

I never thought id say this but danm that ZL1 gets sexier & sexier. Radz nice videos too man

I'll be updating with some more for quick reference

[BLACK10]

Have at it Dragoneye

i just think that it could have been better. for example, i think it should have a lowered stance. This is supposed to be THE camaro, why doesn't it have a race car stance even if it is magnetic ride? heck BMW's come with a great lowered stance, why not the ZL1? The hood could have done without vents(even if they are functional) and i think they could have put more effort into the front fascia since GM has licensed the T2/T3 front ends and they have been out for a while now and people already have that look and why aren't the gfx painted to match? The hoses under the hood look like Medusa's head. Another dropped ball in the hose routing department(i.e. our heater hoses across the engine). they had plenty of time to get this thing right to battle against the super snake and i feel like it was a hurried car and im not just talking about performance. The first thing people are going to want to see on this car is under the hood, so why not present the LSA with a better engine bay? Again, (MILK) this is simply IMHO. I do like the wheels on it a little though


I sent the pics of the ZL1 to fellow camaro owners that are not on this site and hadn't seen either of these cars before and they felt the same way as me.

[rtcat600man]

Originally Posted by BLACK10

Have at it Dragoneye

i just think that it could have been better. for example, i think it should have a lowered stance. This is supposed to be THE camaro, why doesn't it have a race car stance even if it is magnetic ride? heck BMW's come with a great lowered stance, why not the ZL1? The hood could have done without vents(even if they are functional) and i think they could have put more effort into the front fascia since GM has licensed the T2/T3 front ends and they have been out for a while now and people already have that look and why aren't the gfx painted to match? The hoses under the hood look like Medusa's head. Another dropped ball in the hose routing department(i.e. our heater hoses across the engine). they had plenty of time to get this thing right to battle against the super snake and i feel like it was a hurried car and im not just talking about performance. The first thing people are going to want to see on this car is under the hood, so why not present the LSA with a better engine bay? Again, (MILK) this is simply IMHO. I do like the wheels on it a little though


I sent the pics of the ZL1 to fellow camaro owners that are not on this site and hadn't seen either of these cars before and they felt the same way as me.

Keep in mind this Camaro has NOT released yet. Just because it looks like this now doesn't mean a few things will not change before final production starts.

As for the HP again this is only an estimate. GM did not rush this to get it done. There is still many months left before final release.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by BLACK10

Have at it Dragoneye
I will, thank you.

i just think that it could have been better. for example, i think it should have a lowered stance. This is supposed to be THE camaro, why doesn't it have a race car stance even if it is magnetic ride? heck BMW's come with a great lowered stance, why not the ZL1?
It is lowered from the SS...and in person, I think it has a great stance - but I understand this is an opinion as valuable as yours.

NVH standards, and the MR system both effect what they can do from the factory in terms of overall ride height...and one must also consider things like ground clearance and the sheer size of the wheel/tires. It's not as simple as "dropping it".

The hood could have done without vents(even if they are functional) and i think they could have put more effort into the front fascia since GM has licensed the T2/T3 front ends and they have been out for a while now
The hood could NOT have done without the vents...you'll see why in time, I think. But suffice to say they are VERY functional and truly have an impact on the performance of the vehicle. In terms of aesthetics, the vents may not be everyone's cup 'o tea, but the ZL1 was not "designed", it was "engineered" to go fast (loose interpretations of the words to get the point across).

The effort into the fascia is evident...to me, anyways. It has a different profile than all other Camaros, so it cannot be snapped onto an SS/LT and look 'right'. It also omits the "dimples" apparent on the SS and Leno fascia, and includes a much more aggressive, integrated lower diffuser/"chin spoiler" leading to the lower air dam. Finally, I'm a HUGE fan of the Leno DRLs, but fact is - they're an unnecessary expense. Their usefulness can also be questioned, I think...

I'm sure the Leno fascia was tested in the wind tunnel along with many other prototypes...but I'd be willing to be the ZL1s outperformed it in every respect by a wide margin, leading to the decision that's been made.

Outside of those things, they're both very similar...and it seems apparent to me that one was designed to look good, and the other to perform. With that in mind...some companies have already produced their own T3/Leno Camaro-inspired fascias and hoods...wouldn't it be foolish to GM to factory-produce what others already are?

why aren't the gfx painted to match?
Because it adds to the racey aesthetic of the car by subtly highlighting these added, functional parts. It also decreases the "big" look of the car when you view it from the side.

The hoses under the hood look like Medusa's head. Another dropped ball in the hose routing department(i.e. our heater hoses across the engine). Take a real close look....see how they're directed down, and shot straight from the engine to the heat exchanger? That's to clear the vent shroud, and to lower weight/complexity/cost that would come with longer hoses just for the sake of 'looking pretty'.

It was not a dropped ball, but an conscious decision in the development of the car.

Personally, they don't bother me a bit...but I understand this is opinion, as well.


they had plenty of time to get this thing right to battle against the super snake
The Super Snake was never the target. And those it DOES target...will be put in their place soon enough.

and i feel like it was a hurried car and im not just talking about performance. You would be very wrong in this statement, to put it bluntly...the vehicle has been worked on since shortly after the Camaro SS was released in 2009. This can not be officially confirmed...but there was evidence and news reports of the 'Z28 program' being delayed multiple times since then. And of course -- it won't be out until next year...they're still testing and changing things.

"Rushed" is the least accurate word I can think of using with regards to the ZL1.


The first thing people are going to want to see on this car is under the hood, so why not present the LSA with a better engine bay?
Because the goal was not to 'look pretty', but to perform?

I think it looks as nice as any other engine bay...again, my opinion...but you've got to keep in mind this is no Ferrari, or Audi R8...


I sent the pics of the ZL1 to fellow camaro owners that are not on this site and hadn't seen either of these cars before and they felt the same way as me.

Well...I'm sorry to hear that, but pictures don't do it justice.

As I hovered near the car at the Camaro5Fest, I heard nothing but positive, breath-taken comments about it. And you'll find around here, there are a great number of people who love the look based just on pictures.

Wait and see, would be my best advice to you...some of your concerns will be put to rest when the car comes out...and others I'm cautiously optimistic will fade away as the vehicle grows on you.

[BLACK10]

well, you've got some great answers. thanks for the discussion

[kpwalls06]

I'll be one of the first to admit when GM released the preliminary details on the ZL1 I was immediately calling my guy at the dealership about getting the car. After some time to cool down and considering my options, I've decided to stick with my 2010 2SS. The ZL1 looks to be an amazing car in pretty much all aspects, and the biggest draw for me is the MR ride control shared with the Corvette's; I reeeeeaaaaally wanted that on my car! But in the end, I think I'll have more fun turning my 2SS into my own complete creation, with everything exactly the way I want it, and I'll just live without the MR ride control. It's gonna take time, and it won't be anywhere near complete when the ZL1 comes out, and I have no delusions that I'm gonna "build" my own ZL1; but I'm happy with my car so I'm keeping it. Plus I just started a 416ci stroker build to prep her for TT in the future, so I'm pretty excited!! Can't wait to see the ZL1 out in the world though, I think it's gonna be awesome.

[NYZL1Lover]

I am interested to see what the options will be for the ZL1 and what will come as part of the base product....The two things that I am hoping will be part of the base model are the ZL1 wheels that are at the Chicago and NYC shows...and I hope the ground FX are a base model thing as well....The Ground FX would add >$2000 to the base price. I know that the center stripe will be an option...(I wonder how much?)...Ok here is what I am thinking. As long as the ground Fx and wheels are stock...and the only option I have to get is the center stripe...and the car is basing at or below $50,000..I hope...I will be very happy...

[Weezerj]

Originally Posted by NYZL1Lover

...and the car is basing at or below $50,000..I hope...I will be very happy...

You and me both.......

[OldJedi]

Dragoneye, you know so much more than you are letting on. I will have to get you drunk and do the Vulcan Mind Meld on you!

[Rocky918]

Originally Posted by Weezerj

You and me both.......

say it once, say it twice... as conan o brian would say.... Ill say it thrice!

~50k out the door tax, title, and licence fee with the debut rims, gfx, and center stripe and I will be one happy camper ... lets just hope that its a reality and that it doesnt START at 50k

[NYZL1Lover]

If I had to make my decision 2morrow about what color ZL1 I wanted......Inferno Orange Metallica

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by kpwalls06

I'll be one of the first to admit when GM released the preliminary details on the ZL1 I was immediately calling my guy at the dealership about getting the car. After some time to cool down and considering my options, I've decided to stick with my 2010 2SS. The ZL1 looks to be an amazing car in pretty much all aspects, and the biggest draw for me is the MR ride control shared with the Corvette's; I reeeeeaaaaally wanted that on my car! But in the end, I think I'll have more fun turning my 2SS into my own complete creation, with everything exactly the way I want it, and I'll just live without the MR ride control. It's gonna take time, and it won't be anywhere near complete when the ZL1 comes out, and I have no delusions that I'm gonna "build" my own ZL1; but I'm happy with my car so I'm keeping it. Plus I just started a 416ci stroker build to prep her for TT in the future, so I'm pretty excited!! Can't wait to see the ZL1 out in the world though, I think it's gonna be awesome.

That's what I like to read!!! Awesome!!!

You're going to LOVE your car when you're done....and even when you're not.

Originally Posted by NYZL1Lover

I am interested to see what the options will be for the ZL1 and what will come as part of the base product....The two things that I am hoping will be part of the base model are the ZL1 wheels that are at the Chicago and NYC shows...and I hope the ground FX are a base model thing as well....The Ground FX would add >$2000 to the base price. I know that the center stripe will be an option...(I wonder how much?)...Ok here is what I am thinking. As long as the ground Fx and wheels are stock...and the only option I have to get is the center stripe...and the car is basing at or below $50,000..I hope...I will be very happy...

GFX shouldn't change the price that much since they're integrated into the car. But I VERY much doubt they'll be standard...they all play a part in the aerodynamics of the car that help make it so great!

Originally Posted by OldJedi

Dragoneye, you know so much more than you are letting on. I will have to get you drunk and do the Vulcan Mind Meld on you!

You can try....and I won't try to dissuade the perception that I'm "in the know" too much......but I've done nothing more than follow this car like "stink on $h!t"...or should I say "speed on ZL1s"?

Originally Posted by NYZL1Lover

If I had to make my decision 2morrow about what color ZL1 I wanted......Inferno Orange Metallica

HOT!