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*GTAHVIT* · 12-18-2008, 10:06 PM

If you do this

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Originally Posted by Gary B

The lifters are hydraulic roller lifters. Rev limiters will save from damage, but you still don't want to slam the limiter the way you would if you missed 3rd and went to 1st!!

You get this.

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Originally Posted by radz282003

When I did it the first time, and when I'd practice, I'd shift at a low RPM in case I missed the shift or something went wrong. Once, I wasn't practicing, and the shifter went from second back to first, instead of third. Boy - that engine and tranny made some strange music that time, LOL! For me, there's nothing better than a powershift on redline and getting the 2-3 perfect. I can't say that it's any faster than my fastest lift-shift, but it's sure a whole lot more fun. On the obvious downside, shifter forks, syncros', and the threat of floating valve (among many other things) are things that you're risking - do it wrong, and you just could've spent a whole lotta' $$$... I'd practice on a beater first

fastball · 12-18-2008, 10:40 PM

The SS manuals will have that same shifting technology that the Cobalt SS has, where you can just leave the gas pedal floored all the way through and when you hit the clutch the ECM keeps the RPMs level without droping or spiking while you shift. So, if you are buying an SS speed shifting will be a piece of cake even for inexperienced drivers. That is unless you accidentally shift into the wrong gear.

Hopefully the rev limiter is as reactive as those found on Ferraris or even some Hondas I've driven, where no matter what gear you shift to and how fast you are going, the very millisecond you hit fuel cutoff it cuts off, and will almost instantly pull down to idle.

The LS and LT manuals will not have this technology however.

7CAMARO7 · 12-18-2008, 10:51 PM

after about 2.5 years of having my m6 SS I've got POWER SHIFTING down pretty good. I have it in 1st, then floor it (while using my best '60 method) and I've gotten good enough to keep the gas to the floor at 6000rpms and clutch, shift, clutch out fast enough to hit the rev limiter only once or not at all.

btw I've got chromoly pushrods, full boltons, and an awesome clutch that slips 0%

!

So the other day my friend's wife was getting on his nerves while I was driving me and him around, and when she hung up I said man this'll make you feel better(as I was entering a highway at about 30mph)

I put it from 5th down to 1st, then MATTED IT lmao

did a power shift to 2nd, spun a little(supprised not way more like usual maybe tires were warm)

powershifted 3rd, and it was like we were sling shotted hard as hell forward.

I was like oh shit hahaha

garfin · 12-18-2008, 11:12 PM

The rev limiter will not save your engine's pushrods and valves if you miss a shift and go 3rd to 2nd (instead of 4th) at 6 grand... ask me how I know...

The rev limiter/fuel shutoff is unable to prevent mechanical over-revving, should one happen to go 3-2 or 2-1 (instead of hitting 3rd) at the redline. It will, however, prevent you from over-revving on an upshift

FWIW, after my experience, if you want to speed shift or powershift, turn your wrist 90 degrees to the left and "backhand" the 3-4 shift, with your palm facing outwards to the right, as this will keep leverage to the right, rather than mistakingly bringing it back in to the left.

Best regardSS,

Elie

Rogue Leader · 12-18-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 10redrocket

Most likely that the Rev Limiter would prevent damage.

Repeat after me, rev-limiters cannot defy the laws of physics.

If you mechanically over rev the engine (miss a redline shift to 3rd and hit 1st, or say downshift from 4th to 1st at high speed), you WILL do damage. Rev limiter cant stop that.

*GTAHVIT* · 12-18-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by garfin

The rev limiter will not save your engine's pushrods and valves if you miss a shift and go 3rd to 2nd (instead of 4th) at 6 grand... ask me how I know...

The rev limiter/fuel shutoff is unable to prevent mechanical over-revving, should one happen to go 3-2 or 2-1 (instead of hitting 3rd) at the redline. It will, however, prevent you from over-revving on an upshift

FWIW, after my experience, if you want to speed shift or powershift, turn your wrist 90 degrees to the left and "backhand" the 3-4 shift, with your palm facing outwards to the right, as this will keep leverage to the right, rather than mistakingly bringing it back in to the left.

Best regardSS,

Elie

Agreed, emphasis on mechanical link.

I Missed 4th once and was convinced the hood on my truck was gonna blow off at any second.... Ever since then, If I even think I've missed a gear I won't even let the clutch out. I'll just go back to neutral and then be sure I'm in the right gear. I'd rather loose that run than write that check.

Rodrunner · 12-19-2008, 10:21 AM

Lot of good info. guys. Im learnin', learnin' I'm gonna have to take this real slow and careful. The last speed shift for me was a four speed, so 2nd to 3rd was just slammin' it hard right and forward, no 5th to worry about. Of course, it's all dependent on me switching to the M6, but I think I'm going to....never enjoyed the '85 Z28 with the auto. Thanks all!

zebra · 03-05-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodrunner

Lot of good info. guys. Im learnin', learnin' I'm gonna have to take this real slow and careful. The last speed shift for me was a four speed, so 2nd to 3rd was just slammin' it hard right and forward, no 5th to worry about. Of course, it's all dependent on me switching to the M6, but I think I'm going to....never enjoyed the '85 Z28 with the auto. Thanks all!

once you get used to the way the shift pattern feels and where the clutch engages, it won't be much of a problem. just make sure you're paying attention!

*CamaroSpike23* · 03-05-2009, 08:01 PM

necro

zebra · 03-05-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

necro

gtahvit referenced this thread, so people will be coming back here anyway.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...2&postcount=30

besides, it ain't like i just bumped it for the fun of it

1320junkie · 03-05-2009, 08:06 PM

I have been doing it for as long as I can remember, keep practicing and it just feels natural when its time to haul the mail

Silver Streak · 03-05-2009, 08:08 PM

And if you get real good at, you will be able to just tap that clutch!

1320junkie · 03-05-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Streak

And if you get real good at, you will be able to just tap that clutch!

Hell yeah minimal clutch movement.

PQ · 03-05-2009, 08:15 PM

They should come up with a type of transmision that would just shift for you. I would just order that.

12-18-2008, 10:51 PM	#17
7CAMARO7 Drives: Slow 4th gen Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: showing you tail lights Posts: 287 View My Garage	after about 2.5 years of having my m6 SS I've got POWER SHIFTING down pretty good. I have it in 1st, then floor it (while using my best '60 method) and I've gotten good enough to keep the gas to the floor at 6000rpms and clutch, shift, clutch out fast enough to hit the rev limiter only once or not at all. btw I've got chromoly pushrods, full boltons, and an awesome clutch that slips 0%! So the other day my friend's wife was getting on his nerves while I was driving me and him around, and when she hung up I said man this'll make you feel better(as I was entering a highway at about 30mph) I put it from 5th down to 1st, then MATTED IT lmao did a power shift to 2nd, spun a little(supprised not way more like usual maybe tires were warm) powershifted 3rd, and it was like we were sling shotted hard as hell forward. I was like oh shit hahaha __________________

12-18-2008, 11:12 PM	#18
garfin Resident Disciple Drives: 2010 CTS-V 6MN '98 Camaro SS (Sold) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Roches Point, Ontario, Canada Posts: 607	The rev limiter will not save your engine's pushrods and valves if you miss a shift and go 3rd to 2nd (instead of 4th) at 6 grand... ask me how I know... The rev limiter/fuel shutoff is unable to prevent mechanical over-revving, should one happen to go 3-2 or 2-1 (instead of hitting 3rd) at the redline. It will, however, prevent you from over-revving on an upshift FWIW, after my experience, if you want to speed shift or powershift, turn your wrist 90 degrees to the left and "backhand" the 3-4 shift, with your palm facing outwards to the right, as this will keep leverage to the right, rather than mistakingly bringing it back in to the left. Best regardSS, Elie __________________ 2010 Cadillac CTS-V 6MN Thunder Gray 1998 Camaro SS # C079 SOLD

12-19-2008, 10:21 AM	#21
Rodrunner Senior Member Drives: 2010 SS/RS, '06 350Z Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: So. Maryland Posts: 2,326	Lot of good info. guys. Im learnin', learnin' I'm gonna have to take this real slow and careful. The last speed shift for me was a four speed, so 2nd to 3rd was just slammin' it hard right and forward, no 5th to worry about. Of course, it's all dependent on me switching to the M6, but I think I'm going to....never enjoyed the '85 Z28 with the auto. Thanks all! __________________ 2SS/RS - Black/Black - CGM Rally Stripes - Auto - VIN 10171

03-05-2009, 08:15 PM	#28
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,717 View My Garage	They should come up with a type of transmision that would just shift for you. I would just order that. __________________

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12-18-2008, 10:40 PM	#16
fastball Banned Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS 6MT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 4,361	The SS manuals will have that same shifting technology that the Cobalt SS has, where you can just leave the gas pedal floored all the way through and when you hit the clutch the ECM keeps the RPMs level without droping or spiking while you shift. So, if you are buying an SS speed shifting will be a piece of cake even for inexperienced drivers. That is unless you accidentally shift into the wrong gear. Hopefully the rev limiter is as reactive as those found on Ferraris or even some Hondas I've driven, where no matter what gear you shift to and how fast you are going, the very millisecond you hit fuel cutoff it cuts off, and will almost instantly pull down to idle. The LS and LT manuals will not have this technology however.

03-05-2009, 08:06 PM	#25
1320junkie Drives: The Imperial Army Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Darkside Posts: 15,742	I have been doing it for as long as I can remember, keep practicing and it just feels natural when its time to haul the mail

03-05-2009, 08:08 PM	#26
Silver Streak Drives: 2008 Cobalt SS/TC Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Smyrna Bch. Florida Posts: 1,449 View My Garage	And if you get real good at, you will be able to just tap that clutch!