V6 TT Kit Interest

[Pt_killa]

Originally Posted by jeff4946

It makes me curious how many people will step and and dump that kinda money. Not looking for v6/v8 argument... strictly curious. It's kind of a pattern watching these threads, all the planning, and thinking, and " well if you do this, then this is next " kinda thing, but what materializes is usually different. You really got to ask yourself as developers and investors, if this is in fact hype, or are all these people really going to step to the plate, if I dump a wad, and start producing this. I personally have put a ton a money in my car, and if it would be anymore, especially 5-6k... I would just take the loss, and lose the money on the big trade in. Just thinking out loud. I can already hear the backlash.

V6 FI kits are usually for those who couldn't afford a v8 but want v8 power as an option or for those that have already paid off their car a couple years down the line and want extra power. This is not the first v6 car that has a v8 trim that has power adders. Look at the old v6 mustangs, camaro's, or any other performance car with varying engine sizes. Many people bought kits for them. People will eventually buy kits for the v6 especially since it seems our cars with FI beat a stock SS in almost every category. Just curious, if your on craigslist 5 years in the future and looking for a used car, for a similar price and mileage, would you choose between a used twin turbo V6 camaro or used Stock V8?

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by Pt_killa

V6 FI kits are usually for those who couldn't afford a v8 but want v8 power as an option or for those that have already paid off their car a couple years down the line and want extra power. This is not the first v6 car that has a v8 trim that has power adders. Look at the old v6 mustangs, camaro's, or any other performance car with varying engine sizes. Many people bought kits for them. People will eventually buy kits for the v6 especially since it seems our cars with FI beat a stock SS in almost every category. Just curious, if your on craigslist 5 years in the future and looking for a used car, for a similar price and mileage, would you choose between a used twin turbo V6 camaro or used Stock V8?

Well, I kinda knew this was coming, but its not my point. My point is, its kinda a reality check for the investors and developers. They really have to ask themselves, if I dump all the R&D money here, and put it in production, are all these people really going to jump in here? You could walk back through this thread alone, and count probably ten to fifteen people who are very excited about this, but in reality, maybe one will drop the jack. I, myself, am way over what it cost, just in my mods. But thousands of people buy this car, and don't put one mod on. We are talking a very small percentage. Check the FI list for v6, and you will count less than 15, and that's nitrous and superchargered also. I have argued the same insurance/payment thing too. Just looking at facts. If you step up, good on ya. I am betting the opposite. Just my opinion.

Pt... you being the supercharged one on the list, would know exactly what I'm talking about.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Blade

Do you have a video of what your car sounds like? I have tried searching, but being at work its a little time consuming to do so

Also Jeff, when will we have a video of this car running?

Not the best quality in the world, but here you go.

http://camaro5.com/forums/showpost.p...&postcount=117

[Edge.128]

my thoughts are that i bought the car that i could afford and wanted and will be able to pay off quickly. then in a few years from now when all the bugs are worked out (and my warranty is gone) and I have saved a pile of money that is when i can just buy this kit and get it installed and all will work just right. i'm glad all of you are doing the hard work now for those of us later to just be able to make it work right. so thanks for that!! but over the next few years is when the kits will move big time. that is my thoughts.

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by Edge.128

my thoughts are that i bought the car that i could afford and wanted and will be able to pay off quickly. then in a few years from now when all the bugs are worked out (and my warranty is gone) and I have saved a pile of money that is when i can just buy this kit and get it installed and all will work just right. i'm glad all of you are doing the hard work now for those of us later to just be able to make it work right. so thanks for that!! but over the next few years is when the kits will move big time. that is my thoughts.

Fair enough... id buy that. I am also glad they put the work in. I hope they are rewarded fully.

[Pt_killa]

Originally Posted by jeff4946

Well, I kinda knew this was coming, but its not my point. My point is, its kinda a reality check for the investors and developers. They really have to ask themselves, if I dump all the R&R money here, and put it in production, are all these people really going to jump in here? You could walk back through this thread alone, and count probably ten to fifteen people who are very excited about this, but in reality, maybe one will drop the jack. I, myself, am way over what it cost, just in my mods. But thousands of people buy this car, and don't put one mod on. We are talking a very small percentage. Check the FI list for v6, and you will count less than 15, and that's nitrous and superchargered also. I have argued the same insurance/payment thing too. Just looking at facts. If you step up, good on ya. I am betting the opposite. Just my opinion.

Pt... you being the supercharged one on the list, would know exactly what I'm talking about.

I see now. You are correct looking from an investor/producer viewpoint, not consumer, that short term gain from pouring resources into a kit would be minimal if any at all based on camaro5 forum interest and activity ONLY. However, there are way more FI 2010 v6 camaro's out there that we don't know about on these boards. Vince told me he has tuned over 20 twin turbo V6's so who know's how many single kits. I'm sure STS has sold many more kits than we know about on here. There is a working supercharged v6 camaro driving around as well according to the shop that has a custom crank pinning template for our car.

Also, are the R&D cost truly that high for the producers that already have a full workshop with lifts, benders, and dyno's (other than the opportunity costs from not being able to work on other cars)? I can have my remote turbo hot and cold piping jigged and ready for mass production by the end of the week for less than $1000 using an external manufacturer. It only took me 2-3 hours by myself to make the cold side piping with very little tools. Using my numbers that I put together to build my kit, the cost for the parts to build my remote kit is $3000 (no tuner). Let say I put 2000 extra into R&D (5000 total). If I sold my kit minus the tuner for 4500-5000, 3 or 4 kits will cover my intial investment.The point is that for guys with reputable shops that already have the capabilities for mass production in house and established parts distributor networks, the costs will be much cheaper. (IPS or any other producers or developers can refute this statement if I am wrong.)

In the long term, I can garuantee that IPS, RX, and Adkins, if their respective final products check out and have adequate marketing, will sale at least 20 kits combined and make a profit.

[Blade]

Originally Posted by Pt_killa

...There is a working supercharged v6 camaro driving around as well according to the shop that has a custom crank pinning template for our car.....

Umm what? and where?

[Pt_killa]

The shop that has the pin kit is in the Virginia Beach area but not sure who the owner of the car is or where the car is now.

[jeff4946]

Originally Posted by Pt_killa

I see now. You are correct looking from an investor/producer viewpoint, not consumer, that short term gain from pouring resources into a kit would be minimal if any at all based on camaro5 forum interest and activity ONLY. However, there are way more FI 2010 v6 camaro's out there that we don't know about on these boards. Vince told me he has tuned over 20 twin turbo V6's so who know's how many single kits. I'm sure STS has sold many more kits than we know about on here. There is a working supercharged v6 camaro driving around as well according to the shop that has a custom crank pinning template for our car.

Also, are the R&D cost truly that high for the producers that already have a full workshop with lifts, benders, and dyno's (other than the opportunity costs from not being able to work on other cars)? I can have my remote turbo hot and cold piping jigged and ready for mass production by the end of the week for less than $1000 using an external manufacturer. It only took me 2-3 hours by myself to make the cold side piping with very little tools. Using my numbers that I put together to build my kit, the cost for the parts to build my remote kit is $3000 (no tuner). Let say I put 2000 extra into R&D (5000 total). If I sold my kit minus the tuner for 4500-5000, 3 or 4 kits will cover my intial investment.The point is that for guys with reputable shops that already have the capabilities for mass production in house and established parts distributor networks, the costs will be much cheaper. (IPS or any other producers or developers can refute this statement if I am wrong.)

In the long term, I can garuantee that IPS, RX, and Adkins, if their respective final products check out and have adequate marketing, will sale at least 20 kits combined and make a profit.

See, that's what I'm talkin bout. I mearly stated my curiosity, and it develops a civil conversation. Only one guy with some s##t to sling. Here I thought Facebook was less abrasive than these forums, but it turns out there is hope.... and you are probably 100% right too.

[Edge.128]

i'd agree there are probably way more installed than we know about. besides this is hardly the only camaro website out there. and there are probably thousands of people who will buy this car and mod it that will never log in here also. so i would say for a shop with the parts and machinery the inital cost should be fairly low. the next part is really getting the tune down and the kit with all the proper parts and then marketing will be huge after that. they will need adds in all the major car magazines and on all the websites and before long they will be making a profit. with something like this a company HAS to look at the long term and maybe take a loss in the short term.

[Blade]

Originally Posted by Pt_killa

The shop that has the pin kit is in the Virginia Beach area but not sure who the owner of the car is or where the car is now.

Do you have the shop name?

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by jeff4946

See, that's what I'm talkin bout. I measly stated my curiosity, and it develops a civil conversation. Only one guy with some s##t to sling. Here I thought Facebook was less evasive than these forums, but it turns out there is hope.... and you are probably 100% right too.

Not sure V meant it as harshly as you took it. I think he was just pointing out you can view a "loss" different ways. My take on it anyway.

[Pt_killa]

Originally Posted by Blade

Do you have the shop name?

The shop is called Auto Plus Performance in VA Beach area.

Also, Jeff, we need guys like you on these forums to provoke thought and discussion and, your valid points could one day be the deciding factor for some forum reader on deciding whether to buy an FI kit for their v6 or trade up to a v8! A lot of mods that I bought and tried when my car was N/A came from guys similar to you making recommendations or opinions.

[MichaelH]

question on the turbo how much power can the car actually safely handle b4 having to upgrade the bushings and the links to the car